Criticizing peoples builds

[1985 kenworth]

Hello everyone i have a real big gripe about something ,i have been holding my tongue for a few tears now but i gotta tell you something happened just just burned my blood today.I am a huge fan of this hobby and love it to death but it irks me to no end how some people can be just truly stupid and ridiculous .i believe all builds whether you are new at it or an old pro are all equally important as the next guys .it bothers me when i hear guys or gals say my builds are not good enough to show with yours or they are afraid to post pics because they feel like their builds look like crap.well boys and girls i am here to tell you they do not look like crap!!!!!! we have all been there and we all started out with something we felt was not that great ,but it is.all builds are important and i love to see them ,and from time to time we offer some constructive advice to help out one another whether its a" oh i know how you can do that" or "guys i want to do this ..has anybody ever done this before"?..trust me it all helps us out in the end and we are quite happy with what we end up with.the other thing is i am not sure about anybody else on here and i can only speak for myself ,but i am and never will be in competition with anybody here or anywhere else with anything i do ..i am a grown man and i do not have time for that kind of pettiness. I build what i would want in my fleet if i can afford it in real life ..so far Zeus is the only one..lol Anybody who knows me and knows me well will confirm this.I do not care if you want to copy any of my builds for your own collection or to sell or whatever you want,there is one exception to this rule and that is Zeus.i cannot force people not to do it , all i can do is ask nicely to please not copy anything about that truck.

[Wiskybilt]

I've seen your builds and they are looking great. I'm not sure which one is Zues, but my favorite is the old rusty looking one

[1985 kenworth]

now i told you that because here is my gripe..i started to build Optimus Prime several years ago and this particular guy from scale4x4.org who is has joined here too now has been following my build for awhile until i guess he decided he was going to build one also.this person proceeded to pick my build apart on scale 4x4 talking about" oh the trailer is not to scale "..or "oh the paint is alittle off on yours " or" i am going to go all out for my build because i feel if you are going to build a replica it should be done right"...we had words on that forum about this and that was it ..i basically said i am not in competition with anybody then nor am i in competition with anybody now.they kinda backed off abit then. But it amazes me how some peoples lives are so dull and boring that they have to pick something out of a crowd and proceed to try to "do one better than that ",and still after all this time pick at things when their build is not exact .again i am in no competition with anybody nor do i care to ,i would just not bother to post anything ever again than to put up with this crap!!!!they went on to build their build and with lots of things that do not match up to the real one .i found a few inconsistencies with it but chose not to pick their build apart because maybe thats all they can afford or that is the extent of their skill level ,whatever it is we are supposed to encourage people to build and be proud of what they do .That is the way i am ,i am not here to judge of criticize anybody.and i really think some people need to mind their own business and like the old saying goes "if you do not have anything nice to say then shut f$%#$%^^ up!!!!!!!! well i added the last part which is my own instead of don't say anything at all

[1985 kenworth]

in closing of this rant .i would like to encourage people to build what they want ,....when they want...how ever they want and try not to let others get you down on your builds .they are just as cool and important as the next guy or gal even though you may not think so .i have been building for over 40yrs now and there is no place in this hobby or anything that is fun for people that think unless something is perfect then it will never do .build it to the best you can and be very proud of what you have done because at the end of the day it is YOUR build :)

[1985 kenworth]

I've seen your builds and they are looking great. I'm not sure which one is Zues, but my favorite is the old rusty looking one

Zeus is my 1985 Kenworth W900B modelled after my real one.it is purple with airbrushed lightning bolts all over it and i just recently scratchbuilt a scale 53ft Great Dane Stainless Spread Axle Reefer Trailer ..thank you for the compliment Wiskybilt

[flatdeck]

I agree with 1985 this is for show and tell. Not for people to tell you what you do wrong, or a beauty contest... 1985 you build great looking truck and ones that are so different that they stand out......

I do not post many pictures of my build for that exact reasons..

One thing I have found out about building if you do not ask question and try to do things different from other.. You will never learn anything......

Just my 2 cents...



Wayne

[bigford]

100% with you 85
my blue/white pete is a close enough copy of a 1/64 copy of the real truck
to make me happy!! paint might not be perfect or the right shade of blue but who cares
two members of this forum were able to tell what truck I was building.
mom always told me if you cant say something nice then shut up!!!!

[Cossett]

This is the truck Dwayne is talking about
http://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10917069_1585142191716117_2956675617966284058_n.jp g?oh=c47623bc55ae570c72a12d36f7f1d421&oe=56099A02
And if memory serves me correct the name on the bumper lights up ?
Dwayne the rivet counters have there place, but if there cant say anything good about peoples builds maybe they should take a minute to think of how they started also remember not everyone has the money to pump into builds with every bit of bling they can find and that doesnt always make them good,

Cheers Tracy

[1985 kenworth]

thank you guys everyone's response here is awesome!!!! i am glad that i am not the only one who feels this way ..i love each and everyone's builds ..like i told one person awhile ago when they picked my BJ and the Bear build apart by saying the wheelbase was too long and i hooked it to my scale 48ft flatbed trailer with mini bungees as straps and this gent told me the wheelbase is too long and that who uses bungees on a load ...lol
i simply replied ..."i didn't know DOT was inspecting r/c trucks now":cop::lol:

[1985 kenworth]

This is the truck Dwayne is talking about
http://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10917069_1585142191716117_2956675617966284058_n.jp g?oh=c47623bc55ae570c72a12d36f7f1d421&oe=56099A02
And if memory serves me correct the name on the bumper lights up ?
Dwayne the rivet counters have there place, but if there cant say anything good about peoples builds maybe they should take a minute to think of how they started also remember not everyone has the money to pump into builds with every bit of bling they can find and that doesnt always make them good,

Cheers Tracy
Yes Cossett that is the very truck i am talking about and yes the name does light up and omg there is rocks in the tread better get them out of there or i cannot post the pic:lol: 10-4 on the rivet counters :D:D

[1985 kenworth]

100% with you 85
my blue/white pete is a close enough copy of a 1/64 copy of the real truck
to make me happy!! paint might not be perfect or the right shade of blue but who cares
two members of this forum were able to tell what truck I was building.
mom always told me if you cant say something nice then shut up!!!!

Bigford ...yes sir you got that right my man;);)

[1985 kenworth]

I agree with 1985 this is for show and tell. Not for people to tell you what you do wrong, or a beauty contest... 1985 you build great looking truck and ones that are so different that they stand out......

I do not post many pictures of my build for that exact reasons..

One thing I have found out about building if you do not ask question and try to do things different from other.. You will never learn anything......

Just my 2 cents...



Wayne
yes Wayne it is sad that it has come to this at times because you build some different awesome rigs yourself:jaw:..love them to death my friend:bounce: ,i am like a kid in a candy store when you tell me "oh i will have such and such truck at our next meet to show you guys ":D:D

[ihbuilder]

Hey hey hey, easy on the rivet counter bashing :cop: recovered 1 right here :p:lol:

[1985 kenworth]

Steve nobody is bashing rivet counters here..in fact i would think a counter made of rivets would be hard to put drinks on without spilling it :lol:....i know bad joke and this is where i hear ..keep your day job right:D

[kaptain Jack]

Only stupid people will criticize some ones build. We all go to the forum to see great trucks, workmanship, paint job, technical ideas. It inspires as and drives forward the appetite to build and become better at what we do. Looking back at early models: how proud we where, hey, I built a truck and painted it my self.... Now, few years later we ourselves can see all the imperfections in workmanship and say:"boy did I post it for everyone to see?...how embarrassing". But that's what learning is about,to better ourselves,to stride towards perfection. Our builds are our baby's.So, Dwayne, if someone doesn't like your baby. Screw HIM.!

[Car5858]

I think the builds are all great, I look at them and think of ways I can use the ideas for what I am building. Some things I would do differently due to money, time and health constraints, but the important part is the doing. We are always our own worst critic. This is where our pride comes into play. Not everyone's pride gets in the way and we actually learn something.

So this is what I have to say to the nay Sayers, When your health and ability starts to fail your pride, remember that we are here for the enjoyment of the hobby that we love.

We do what we can when we can.

[Exclusive RC]

Unfortunately, its the nature of the beast.... I too being a proud rivet counter am all about the detail and how things should be.... Idk about everyone else but I wasnt born knowing these things, it took some time to craft my skill. Some ppl will get there and some wont... constructive criticism is always appreciated and expected. The problem is when you do good work the only ones complaining are the jealous ones or the ones who cant do what you do.... With that being said its sad to say but the only real way to keep your stuff from getting copied is to just not post it at all for the world to see.... The min you post it up anywhere online it then becones the whole worlds business, it sucks but its the risk of dealing with the world wide web..... As far as the negativity goes you just have to learn to ignore them.... it works best and makes them even more MAD :D

[flatdeck]

Brian I agree with you, Constructive criticism is one thing but it never seems to stop there. I have never complained about people suggesting how I can make thing better.. but when they pick it apart for the sack of saying something to knock a build it just sucks.... There is a number of builders on here that when I post a picture of a build in progress or just finished I can not wait to see what they have to say, because they will be honest.. and that is what helps.. then there is other that have never posted a picture of there trucks and do a lot of talking about what everyone else should do....

This is a very raw subject for me....

[Rimrock]

One will generally bump into grown-up people with 'kindergarden mentality' now and then, naturally at these forums too. I feel these people are just a small minority, so just ignore them totally, is my best advice. If one goes out there and proclaim 'this is my latest build, and it is a 100% correct replica', naturally it will be a magnet for some people examine everything and try finding mistakes. If one does not proclaim something like that a all, only silly people will start a 'competition' and publically criticize details they mean is wrong..This is a hobby too most of us, and it is much a matter of time how detailed one choose to build. Someone want to spend 10 years perfectioning a model, others choose to built 10 models in 10 years, the most important thing is have a good time and enjoy!

[Kaf343]

Dwayne, Wayne and Brian. I couldn't agree more. It seems the more effort you put into building something that you like the more people want to chew it apart or in some cases not give it any opinion at all. I joined this forum because I love building trucks more and wanted to learn from the masters like you guys and more on how they did there stuff and hopefully be good enough to offer help to some of the new builders that are starting out. I think I like building more than keeping them or playing with them. Some of my builds are good some are not so good but I enjoy all of them. This is supposed to a supportive " we're all in it together community type Forum" and unfortunately some guys ruin for the rest. My .02

[Finster]

Cool! Now I have my next project planned out. A copy of Zeus! :) Totally kidding! Sorry couldn't resist!

But Seriously, I agree with ya 100%. I must admit that I am hesitant to post projects because some of the members here are so skilled. That is not a negative comment directed at any of other board members, it's my hang up because I wish my building skills were better. Also, I'm not around equipment or trucks like some who do it for a living so I just dread what might happen since I don't know standards, practices, like basic industry knowledge or stuff that comes from experience. Example: painting DOT numbers on a truck but having it pointed out that they are wrong for the class of truck or state or whatever, because I don't know what the system is. I've also put off projects because others on the board have done them and I don't want to appear that I am just coping other members work. I will do them someday probably but I feel I should try to put my own spin on them or at least a good bit of time between builds.

It's shame but there will always be people who will want to "compete" with you or try to tear you down if only to raise themselves up. Just gotta take the bad with the good, I guess or ignore them and concentrate on the good comments/people. Btw, I just want to say that I should comment more on peoples builds but I don't because I don't want to seem just like a cheerleader or that I'm trying to raise my post count. So if I haven't said 'good job' or 'nice', if I've read your post just know that I'm sure I thought something like that. To be honest I haven't seen a single bad build on this board or the garden when it was up...

[Wiskybilt]

Zues sure is a nice ride 85. I'm still partial to the tattered look though. 💀

[1985 kenworth]

Only stupid people will criticize some ones build. We all go to the forum to see great trucks, workmanship, paint job, technical ideas. It inspires as and drives forward the appetite to build and become better at what we do. Looking back at early models: how proud we where, hey, I built a truck and painted it my self.... Now, few years later we ourselves can see all the imperfections in workmanship and say:"boy did I post it for everyone to see?...how embarrassing". But that's what learning is about,to better ourselves,to stride towards perfection. Our builds are our baby's.So, Dwayne, if someone doesn't like your baby. Screw HIM.!

yes jack i finally did think that

[1985 kenworth]

I think the builds are all great, I look at them and think of ways I can use the ideas for what I am building. Some things I would do differently due to money, time and health constraints, but the important part is the doing. We are always our own worst critic. This is where our pride comes into play. Not everyone's pride gets in the way and we actually learn something.

So this is what I have to say to the nay Sayers, When your health and ability starts to fail your pride, remember that we are here for the enjoyment of the hobby that we love.

We do what we can when we can.

could not have said it any better my friend;)

[1985 kenworth]

Dwayne, Wayne and Brian. I couldn't agree more. It seems the more effort you put into building something that you like the more people want to chew it apart or in some cases not give it any opinion at all. I joined this forum because I love building trucks more and wanted to learn from the masters like you guys and more on how they did there stuff and hopefully be good enough to offer help to some of the new builders that are starting out. I think I like building more than keeping them or playing with them. Some of my builds are good some are not so good but I enjoy all of them. This is supposed to a supportive " we're all in it together community type Forum" and unfortunately some guys ruin for the rest. My .02

yes they do but it has not deterred me

[1985 kenworth]

Unfortunately, its the nature of the beast.... I too being a proud rivet counter am all about the detail and how things should be.... Idk about everyone else but I wasnt born knowing these things, it took some time to craft my skill. Some ppl will get there and some wont... constructive criticism is always appreciated and expected. The problem is when you do good work the only ones complaining are the jealous ones or the ones who cant do what you do.... With that being said its sad to say but the only real way to keep your stuff from getting copied is to just not post it at all for the world to see.... The min you post it up anywhere online it then becones the whole worlds business, it sucks but its the risk of dealing with the world wide web..... As far as the negativity goes you just have to learn to ignore them.... it works best and makes them even more MAD :D

i do ignore them and have for the past 2 years on this build but at the same time when you post stuff up to show or whatever because without posts there would be no forums people should be respectable about it ,i should not have to be defending my build or what i did or didn't do to anybody except myself .you should be able to post what you want just like if a lady goes out dressed nice does not mean she is looking for a guy and should not be pestered by such:cop:

[1985 kenworth]

One will generally bump into grown-up people with 'kindergarden mentality' now and then, naturally at these forums too. I feel these people are just a small minority, so just ignore them totally, is my best advice. If one goes out there and proclaim 'this is my latest build, and it is a 100% correct replica', naturally it will be a magnet for some people examine everything and try finding mistakes. If one does not proclaim something like that a all, only silly people will start a 'competition' and publically criticize details they mean is wrong..This is a hobby too most of us, and it is much a matter of time how detailed one choose to build. Someone want to spend 10 years perfectioning a model, others choose to built 10 models in 10 years, the most important thing is have a good time and enjoy!

you are right good times and fun ,unfortunately it takes all kinds to make this world turn i guess..:)

[1985 kenworth]

Cool! Now I have my next project planned out. A copy of Zeus! :) Totally kidding! Sorry couldn't resist!

But Seriously, I agree with ya 100%. I must admit that I am hesitant to post projects because some of the members here are so skilled. That is not a negative comment directed at any of other board members, it's my hang up because I wish my building skills were better. Also, I'm not around equipment or trucks like some who do it for a living so I just dread what might happen since I don't know standards, practices, like basic industry knowledge or stuff that comes from experience. Example: painting DOT numbers on a truck but having it pointed out that they are wrong for the class of truck or state or whatever, because I don't know what the system is. I've also put off projects because others on the board have done them and I don't want to appear that I am just coping other members work. I will do them someday probably but I feel I should try to put my own spin on them or at least a good bit of time between builds.

It's shame but there will always be people who will want to "compete" with you or try to tear you down if only to raise themselves up. Just gotta take the bad with the good, I guess or ignore them and concentrate on the good comments/people. Btw, I just want to say that I should comment more on peoples builds but I don't because I don't want to seem just like a cheerleader or that I'm trying to raise my post count. So if I haven't said 'good job' or 'nice', if I've read your post just know that I'm sure I thought something like that. To be honest I haven't seen a single bad build on this board or the garden when it was up...
Finster i get you man but really in all seriousness you should be posting and i have seen in some cases a certain truck or build be done by 3-4 different guys or gals and to be honest with you everyone interprets things differently therefore the build might be the same truck ,but built differently because you say tomato i say tomahto..lol and yes some of us are around trucks and equipment but that is another bonus for people on here..you get to ask first hand experienced people for advice on doing things you or anybody is not familiar with:D:D

[andyathome]

I agree with" nothing nice to say shut your mouth"
Ive been attempting to build construction type toys for a few years now with my kids.
having had no real life experiences with the real things this forum has been a great inspiration for ideas on how things are made and how they work.
the same goes for programing these techo radios, ive also installed in my kids , if you dont know how to do something ask the question after you have had a go..
I have learnt so much just by asking a dumb question on this forum after ive messed up, and have had so much positive help that has helped solve my problems.
by knocking someone it takes the wind out of their sails and they may drop the hobby but by encouraging them they may become a master piece maker that will inspire others.
a few harsh words can be damaging , so for the knockers.....
IF YOU CAN DO BETTER SHOW US OR SHUT UP.

[Cooper]

Guess. I chime in here too, ya know the saying, don't hate the player hate the game, I honestly think the ones with the loudest voices of criticism are the ones with the most jealousy. Kind of like my local police force, a little bit of power now making up for all the a$$ kicking they got in high school,, it's not right but we all have to deal with the consequences. After I was 16 or so. I realized that the only person I need to impress was myself and if any of my peers complimented me or critiqued me then I knew it was for the better. And would only benifit from it. As far as the other jokers, who knows where they are now, passed up, passed on , or just passed, don't know and don't care. I actually like the negative comments on the side of you can't do that as its a motivation to do that!! Nothing is impossible!! And like the past posts, a quiet voice usually hurts those idiots the most!! Let um think what they want, but reality is not parked in their garage!!!

[Supermario]

I'm really glad you started this discussion Dwayne but what I'm hearing also concerns me.
When people don't feel comfortable sharing their work with others that's bad for the hobby and bad for the forum. Never feel intimidated by a master of the hobby. It is their talents that elevate the hobby and inspire the rest of us to join in the fun. I accept the fact I don't have the talent to do what they do but enjoy doing the best that I can and be happy with the end results.
When I started getting into the construction equipment I was reluctant to share because of all the other guys who have way better stuff than me but realized although I don't have the best equipment or most detailed , what I do have I love and very proud of what I've managed to create over the last few years.

Long story short, please, I encourage everyone who has a build they want to share, Do it ! Don't let the critics or better builds stop you! The moment we stop sharing , everything we have here will slowly disappear:eek:

[TRUCKMAKER]

I'm really glad you started this discussion Dwayne but what I'm hearing also concerns me.
When people don't feel comfortable sharing their work with others that's bad for the hobby and bad for the forum. Never feel intimidated by a master of the hobby. It is their talents that elevate the hobby and inspire the rest of us to join in the fun. I accept the fact I don't have the talent to do what they do but enjoy doing the best that I can and be happy with the end results.
When I started getting into the construction equipment I was reluctant to share because of all the other guys who have way better stuff than me but realized although I don't have the best equipment or most detailed , what I do have I love and very proud of what I've managed to create over the last few years.

Long story short, please, I encourage everyone who has a build they want to share, Do it ! Don't let the critics or better builds stop you! The moment we stop sharing , everything we have here will slowly disappear:eek:



Well said Mario!:)

[Joe25]

If I can add my $0.02...
I've only been into the r/c thing for maybe 8-9 months, I've yet to be able to start my first build due to some family stuff. But it's this forum that got me interested. The builds on here are exceptional and the creativity simply astounds me.

My only experience in the "modeling world" is with aviation models I built them to escape, and I got to where I quit posting stuff because it always got picked apart... I was maybe 16 at the time so I quit building regularly...

I agree rivet counters have a place, but I agree with '85 no need to rip someone else's work.

[ihbuilder]

No offense to anyone posting here . I think you all take it to seriously (spelling ? ) what ppl say about your builds or someone else's . Who gives a F*** what some nitpickin duch thinks , they're the 1's makin an azz out of them selves . A hobby is for your own personal enjoyment , If someone feels the need to pick it apart , well that's what the 3rd finger is for use it :D:D


warning :
it's me birthday and puter acting like chit :mad: so, feeling especially diabolical today :D:D:lol:

[Roundabout]

criticism good or bad is needed in this hobby, but when it takes form of jealousy and people starts picking builds apart to make them self and their own build look better it need to stop, i've been in it on and off for 10 years i've seen the level of modeling go from what we in Denmark call left hand work to work of excellent, i'm amazed of some of the builds there is made today, some of the builds make me want to hide my own trucks and never let them see the light of day again, I've learned alot over the years, but most important I learned if there is something you can't do, there is always someone who will help you, if there is something you're not doing the right way there is help to get on the different forums, but sadly I see less and less posting, only a few members posting build threads, almost no new members posting builds, one of the forums from Denmark I use, close to no new posts on it for a year, on the facebook group for our RC club there is not nearly the same posts that there used to be, but I know that there are a lot of trucks being build out there.
people need to start posting build threads again no matter what skill level it on, the more you build the better it gets, lets start building and helping eachother again, as it used to be in this hobby

[RCP57]

No offense to anyone posting here . I think you all take it to seriously (spelling ? ) what ppl say about your builds or someone else's . Who gives a F*** what some nitpickin duch thinks , they're the 1's makin an azz out of them selves . A hobby is for your own personal enjoyment , If someone feels the need to pick it apart , well that's what the 3rd finger is for use it :D:D


warning :
it's me birthday and puter acting like chit :mad: so, feeling especially diabolical today :D:D:lol:

Hahaha! SO TRUE!!!!! Everyone has their own expectations for their builds and right or wrong someone always feels they have the authority to judge the level of quality. Some build to play, some build to have beautiful shelf queens and some build a combination of the two. At the end of the day if you are building to the best of your ability and YOU are proud of it that's all that matters! Like Exclusive said, none of us were born knowing how to do this and we have all learned through our own trials and those of others. Some people have more of a knack for details than others but who cares. It's a HOBBY and is supposed to be fun! If other people don't like what/how you build then ignore them and keep posting pictures because the rest of us "non A holes" like to look at them!:cool:

[1985 kenworth]

i totally agree with all of you but the point i am making is i normally let things slide but when i have somebody criticizing my build not only on one forum but on another that doesn't bother me like i said i am not petty like that, because i have always built what i like to build and really i don't give a #2 what anybody thinks because i am the one paying for it and at the end of the day its mine . but yet i look at theirs and may i add they have some simple inconsistencies with theirs that is nowhere near what the true one is but yet they claim to be a serious detailed builder and even copied something that i did because they did not know what to do and had the nerve to ask me on another forum then do it and tell others they came up with the idea ..lol too funny..like i said i am not here to compete with anybody ,but i am sure anyone of you guys or gals if someone was picking something apart that you built and they tried to build the same thing that was inconsisitent with the true build but i am pretty sure you would say something about it:mad: its been going on 3 years and this goof still picks at it .this goof i know is probably reading this right now and laughing to himself but it doesn't matter anymore because the very next time this idiot says anything about it again i will call his azz out on it :mad::mad::mad::mad:

[steamer]

To Be honest with you some people just feed on the ability to get under your skin. Next time that happens shake you head and walk away!! Just like a bad smell with out rebuttal he'll eventually give up and go away himself!!!
Rob

[GjtBob]

Thank you for starting this thread 1985, it came at the EXACT time I needed to read/ hear these things, and the resulting replies, as I have been "stuck" with my trailer build. I had fallen into the, "I've gotta get this perfect or I'll come accross as an obvious newbie...", when all I really need to do, is build MY flatbed using the tools I have available, and the very limited knowledge I possess. I found myself trying to get results that the "masters" of the hobby get, when in fact I'm building my very first trailer.

I've posted pics of my Knight, and got nothing but positive replies, yet on my trailer work, I've been scared to post pics, because I didn't feel it worthy of showing. I now feel different, I know I'm doing the best I can, and in reality, my results thus far, look good to me, and since my eye is really the only one I should worry about pleasing, I'm going to keep moving on my build. I've learned lots, and have found many tips on this forum, and feel that it's ok to use the basic steps, but not copying any be specific build, I've come up with MY WAY of getting the desired result. Will my builds win a national award, doubtful, but that's not my intent. My intent is to build something I'm proud of, and something that gives ME pleasure.

I've read LOTS of threads, and replies here, and while I've seen many beautiful builds, not all of them are something I'd want, not because they're not beautiful works of art, but because they don't fit my particular style, but THATS what makes this hobby so great, we can all start with the exact same basic kits, and or parts, and each finish completely different builds.

I'm going back to my workbench, and I'm going to let my "fears" go, and I'm going to build the best trailer I can, and I'll do it to please me. So once again, THANK YOU for helping me get past my anxiety, and move forward with my build.

[Lil Giants]

The forum's lack of participation over the last few yrs or so is (imo) in large part b/c of the overall negativity in general... this forum seems to go through fits every so often about how expensive it can be... "why should something so small cost so much?!"

I don't work for minimum wage & I highly suspect the educated ppl who work with cnc machines, have the ability to do custom fabrication, &/or to organise kits or parts for sell, do either. They shouldn't anyway.

The "you could buy a real one for that!" comments are just retarded & don't do this hobby any good.

I know there's ppl out there with bigger collections than what I have with far more sophisticated models than what I run, but they won't participate on forums b/c they just don't want to wade through the drama of ppl judging them for what they spent.

So think about that before you run your mouth about what others choose of their own free will to spend. Not all of us have ready access to tools, materials & custom shops to build whatever we want.

[Exclusive RC]

The forum's lack of participation over the last few yrs or so is (imo) in large part b/c of the overall negativity in general... this forum seems to go through fits every so often about how expensive it can be... "why should something so small cost so much?!"

I don't work for minimum wage & I highly suspect the educated ppl who work with cnc machines, have the ability to do custom fabrication, &/or to organise kits or parts for sell, do either. They shouldn't anyway.

The "you could buy a real one for that!" comments are just retarded & don't do this hobby any good.

I know there's ppl out there with bigger collections than what I have with far more sophisticated models than what I run, but they won't participate on forums b/c they just don't want to wade through the drama of ppl judging them for what they spent.

So think about that before you run your mouth about what others choose of their own free will to spend. Not all of us have ready access to tools, materials & custom shops to build whatever we want.


AMEN! Probably the smartest thing anyone has said on here.... since we are on the topic of negativities, since a forum is meant to bring ppl of all ages, ethnicities, and backgrounds, certain things on here should even exist like the "infamous" build of the month.... when i joined this forum i nominated one of my builds and wondered why so many tallented ppl werent doing the same....? I soon found out.... its not about voting for the truck that trully is the "best" or "well put together" its a POPULARITY contest.... its about who you know and who your "cool" with.... correct me if im wrong but its always other ppl nominating builds and not the actual owner...why? Because no one wants to put up a build that should or could have won this "contest" and lose to a truck or vehicle that is sub par in all aspects..... the build of the month foesnt encourage ppl it actually makes this worse.... Mo matter how you slice it, its a "COMPETITION" when there is a winner and a loser so how is that supposed to bring ppl together? Personally when you when its cool and when you lose it aucks but i dont need a B.O.T.M. to tell me how good or bad my stuff is, im very confident in my abilities like many on here are, but not everyone else is.... the seasoned vets have aquired a tough skin for things like this but, what type of example are we setting for the new comers? Just my .02 cents....:cop:

[RCP57]

I like purple...:thinking:

[Exclusive RC]

I like purple...:thinking:

Im more of a red guy..:lol:

[RCP57]

Im more of a red guy..:lol:

Hahaha! Sorry, I was a teenager in the early 90's...

I just thought we were all saying what we didn't like so I would share something I liked. Chocolate ice cream is my favorite!:drool::D:p

[Exclusive RC]

Hahaha! Sorry, I was a teenager in the early 90's...

I just thought we were all saying what we didn't like so I would share something I liked. Chocolate ice cream is my favorite!:drool::D:p


I can agree lol, chocolate was my fav until i was introduced to cookies n cream :drool:

[RCP57]

I can agree lol, chocolate was my fav until i was introduced to cookies n cream :drool:

Oh yeah! Yummie!

[1985 kenworth]

That's was my first point ...not all have skills and expensive 3d print machines or cnc machines to make parts ...i do what i can and the rest i get made if i can afford it ..if not then i just do the best i can and everyone needs to stop the competition and build and post what please's you most ...And for the record i nominated my very first build ..Zeus and thought afterwards i will not nominate mine anymore because i did not join this forum to compete with anybody just to have fun ,which is probably why most don't nominate their own builds :D

[BRICKNICK]

Well done Dwayne.... Kudos my friend I absolutely agree with you.

[Mawler1]

I've had my Dollies Dissed, as I used Pole trailers that are shortened and lowered... well took a look at them and saw that they looked like Dollies when you take the swingy thing off the top of the back...

but most people love them, so it's all good...

I sometimes think my Knight hauler could have done with an extra coat of paint in certain light conditions... but I'm happy with it...

and '85 anyone that says negative comments usually jealous or what they can't achieve themselves...

[Izzy]

My 2 cents on the topic .....

As long as the one who owns it is happy we all should be happy for them. Complex, fancy, simple, make believe, realistic, un usual or famous it's all still the basis of what's keeps us happy and sane. I have Re built several trucks several times to get it just the way I want. I like others thoughts and suggestions because I like to share and learn (not the easiest for me btw). But even the most cut and pasted truck is kool in its own right.
The unfortunate part is that the models become an expression of ourself. A thought, a memory a diversion from day to day issues. And with that even a well meant comment can feel negative, intrusive or demeaning. We all know this hobby is expensive. Most times pull off a custom feature is nerve racking. To have an end result we are not too ashamed of is a feat all by itself - i've been there many times. Get up close to my stuff and you will find out it has a good bit of flaws, and filler.

So we all just need to learn that others my come across as mean or hurtful when maybe their P.C. filter is all clogged up, and it just all came out wrong.

So play nice - and by that i mean to say. Spend the extra 2 minutes to think about how to type that thought and give that extra sentence or two to give a 'why' or to compliment on what you like rather than pick apart someone's hard efforts. I think that unless they are asking for critics then they are simply posting what they are doing to encourage others to try something themselves.

[Supermario]

Well said Izzy. You hit the nail on the head. in the past, before all this internet , email, texting stuff, people spoke to each other and as you heard the person you could tell by the tone what they are trying to say.
This age of social media, face book , texting.... there is no life or expression in typed words. Countless arguments and disputes have been caused by this all over the net.

[Radio Control Trucker]

I've read the comments in this thread and maintain my old adage: "You don't tell me what to do in my (yard, hobby, etc.) and I won't tell you what to do in yours!" :cop:
If you ask me my opinion then I'll gladly give you an honest answer.

I just think this hobby is to be FUN! :D
This is our "FUN PLACE", a hobby meant to allow us to escape from the everyday pressures that plague us at work, home, school, or anywhere else for that matter.

If you build a "stock" Tamiya truck - be proud and post a photo. We all had to begin learning our talents somewhere, and this is the beginning.

The "modified" trucks/construction equipment are always great to see.
If there are more than one that are built to resemble "famous equipment", then the slight differences give them individual character.
Just think how boring the world would be if everyone had the exact same items - may as well go to Wal-Mart and buy in bulk, hand them out, and then be really proud.

NOT ME, I build every truck to be it's own interpretation. Each is an individual, unique build inspired by my minds-eye.

Now, let's get back to building & posting photos of those builds.

:jump: Remember - HAVE FUN!!! :jump:

- RCT

[hammer]

Ok ok I havent been on in some time and see I have missed a few things lol. I joined this hobby about 5 years ago with a friend of mine and at first was thrilled but as time went on we noticed alot of petty B.S. and jealiousy towards certain people and their builds. I for one build what I want and how I want it done. I dont post picks of any of my builds because people feel they have the right to bash people. It is a shame that as grown men and women who should know better and should be setting an example for the younger crowd are acting like little Fu@#ing Kids.....For those of you who have nothing nice to say about the builds you see and feel the need to bash for no reason I got something for you.
You are nothing but a lonely pathetic Azz@#le who has no life and should take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror you piece of crap. I will be at Indy this year if you want to continue this in person. I am tired of reading negative things lately it is a shame.....

TONY

[hammer]

Btw 1985 kenworth i love your builds fu&$ these azz&9&es

tony

[Animal]

I have to Agree with what's being said here. I've been in the hobby for 30+ yrs., and when I found this site after building my Globe Liner, I was really happy to find a place to communicate with others about the hobby, as I don't know anyone very close to me that I can get together with easily. Lately though I've spent less and less time on the forum because of the drama. I get enough of that at work. It's gotten to the point that I even shelved my Globe and haven't touched in in months. It's not just the people that cut down other builds for one reason or another, recently someone posted a question and a personal opinion about an item, and not only did he get what I consider a bit of a nasty reply from a (company rep), others seemed to gang up on him. The thread was closed by the time I read it, but I sent a personal message of support and offered a possible solution for his question. That is what I believe this forum is for, NOT attacking someone's build or question. As for the build of the month, I was disappointed here that it may have been being tampered with, and although I respect the decision of the mods to end it, I feel that it should have been put to a vote by the forum members. Sorry for the rant, but I had to get that off my chest.

On the lighter side, my favorite color is charcoal, preferably under a nice steak, and my favorite ice cream is rum raisin:D.

[janderson]

recently someone posted a question and a personal opinion about an item, and not only did he get what I consider a bit of a nasty reply from a (company rep), others seemed to gang up on him.

I'm sorry if you felt my reply to him was nasty. I have re-read my first answer to him and it was on point and precise. I wanted to leave it at that, I did not want to get into a heated debate on facts that are obviously there. The gentlemen refused to see the facts.

My goal on this forum, is for the love of the hobby as I am a builder as well. I want to make sure our customers have the correct facts and not someone's opinion on the facts.

Someone's opinion if a product is good or bad is fine and I can respect that. But when you are making false claims about something like false advertising, I as a representative and enthusiast can not let someone taint another persons possible enjoyment.

I started out thinking he was just unclear on some items, but after I made it very clear he continued on as though he did not care what I said and had an agenda.

Again, I apologize if you felt my reply was "nasty" that was not my intention. If you take the time to re-read my first reply to him you will see that.

I have the utmost respect for everyone here and enjoy all of your beautiful work. I am just like the rest of you a builder and enjoy the hobby, no other reason to work here.

Peace out,

Joe

[Animal]

I reread you're reply, and I was referring to the fact that he asked about the instructions not indicating a way to modify the system so fenders could be used, not removed. You're second reply included a scan from the instructions, but again this indicates only that the fenders have to be removed. I believe his comment, that it should indicate this issue on the box, was if it had he may not have bought it. I relate this to a computer game I bought not to long ago. No where on the box did it state that I would have to create an account on a host site to install and play it, if it had I would not have bought it. I'm planning to get a Grand hauler myself, and I would have been pissed if I open the box to find one of my favorite features of it can't be used. Fortunately I'm already using the SS-Tronix system in my globe and don't need the stock mechanism for the legs. Many people have had issues with the system for the legs most commonly I think would be that it sticks or gets jammed at times, and that you have to lineup straight on for it to work, yet it's been unchanged for how many years now and no one gave those people a hard time about reading the instructions. My suggestion for replying to threads in which people voice their opinions about an item is maybe something like "I see your point, and I'll pass that on to the designers so they can work on a way to possibly remedy it". My main reason for mentioning it in the earlier post was that he posted a tread to express his feelings about a product, not a person. Yet a few people jumped on him for it. Would you blame him if he never posted on this forum again. We should be here to support each other. As I said before I love Tamiya, but even I at times as I'm building a kit, think "What were they thinking". Ask me about the new Honda City Turbo (Willy's Wheeler rerelease)some time.

[fhhhstix]

I reread you're reply, and I was referring to the fact that he asked about the instructions not indicating a way to modify the system so fenders could be used, not removed. You're second reply included a scan from the instructions, but again this indicates only that the fenders have to be removed. I believe his comment, that it should indicate this issue on the box, was if it had he may not have bought it. I relate this to a computer game I bought not to long ago. No where on the box did it state that I would have to create an account on a host site to install and play it, if it had I would not have bought it. I'm planning to get a Grand hauler myself, and I would have been pissed if I open the box to find one of my favorite features of it can't be used. Fortunately I'm already using the SS-Tronix system in my globe and don't need the stock mechanism for the legs. Many people have had issues with the system for the legs most commonly I think would be that it sticks or gets jammed at times, and that you have to lineup straight on for it to work, yet it's been unchanged for how many years now and no one gave those people a hard time about reading the instructions. My suggestion for replying to threads in which people voice their opinions about an item is maybe something like "I see your point, and I'll pass that on to the designers so they can work on a way to possibly remedy it". My main reason for mentioning it in the earlier post was that he posted a tread to express his feelings about a product, not a person. Yet a few people jumped on him for it. Would you blame him if he never posted on this forum again. We should be here to support each other. As I said before I love Tamiya, but even I at times as I'm building a kit, think "What were they thinking". Ask me about the new Honda City Turbo (Willy's Wheeler rerelease)some time.



Almost twenty year's ago I built the King Hauler. I figured after that many year's since my last Semi build, that Tamiya would still be awesome.
If you ask me, IMO, I think they might be dropping the ball a little.
The King Hauler had very few part's that required glue, and after it was done everything seemed to work like it should.
I built the Grand Hauler and posted my pic's. I don't recall having to use so much glue. If they are going to have hop ups like motorized legs and such, why not make sure that it work's without messing up my aluminum fender's?
At least state in the directions how to modify the build so a feller can use the part's that made him want the model in the first place.
The MCU-01 is really nice with all the sound's and gizmo's, but why make it so fragile that it cannot handle 5-10 even thirty more low volt led's? When you consider the cost of the MCU-01,it seems to me you could at least use the interior that come's with the $300 - $400 kit.
So far, the only thing I am impressed with with the Grand Hauler is the large metal stack's...that being said, the King Hauler is still King.
As far as the reefer trailer, don't even get me started on the plastic side's...
Wedico may very well be my next truck.


Joe did point out that the directions do state that the fenders will not work with the support legs and showed where in the directions. His aluminum fenders were not part of the kit. If he still wants to use the fenders then raise the fifth wheel and add thicker pads to the bottom of the support legs to match. The whole point is here if you add a modification don’t complain because it does not work ask for suggestions on how to make the aftermarket parts work with the stock kit. There was no misleading here if you follow the directions and keep it stock the parts will work together.

[janderson]

I reread you're reply, and I was referring to the fact that he asked about the instructions not indicating a way to modify the system so fenders could be used, not removed. You're second reply included a scan from the instructions, but again this indicates only that the fenders have to be removed. I believe his comment, that it should indicate this issue on the box, was if it had he may not have bought it. I relate this to a computer game I bought not to long ago. No where on the box did it state that I would have to create an account on a host site to install and play it, if it had I would not have bought it. I'm planning to get a Grand hauler myself, and I would have been pissed if I open the box to find one of my favorite features of it can't be used. Fortunately I'm already using the SS-Tronix system in my globe and don't need the stock mechanism for the legs. Many people have had issues with the system for the legs most commonly I think would be that it sticks or gets jammed at times, and that you have to lineup straight on for it to work, yet it's been unchanged for how many years now and no one gave those people a hard time about reading the instructions. My suggestion for replying to threads in which people voice their opinions about an item is maybe something like "I see your point, and I'll pass that on to the designers so they can work on a way to possibly remedy it". My main reason for mentioning it in the earlier post was that he posted a tread to express his feelings about a product, not a person. Yet a few people jumped on him for it. Would you blame him if he never posted on this forum again. We should be here to support each other. As I said before I love Tamiya, but even I at times as I'm building a kit, think "What were they thinking". Ask me about the new Honda City Turbo (Willy's Wheeler rerelease)some time.

I am not going to get into a back and forth debate on this. I will leave it at this.

Product works as designed, legs are an option not mandatory. If you us the legs the manual clearly states you need to remove the fenders. Can you still use the fenders and legs? Yes there are ways to modify them, but we will not show you how as that is not a factory way it is done and it can very per options you use so the manual could end up being hundreds of pages long. That is why the internet and experienced builders here.

Could that have been put on box, yes so could the other hundreds of things we could find useful. I can tell you this, the manual was available online in PDF form a month before the truck box was available to be seen in person, I made sure the manual I was using for my build was scanned right away.

"What were they thinking", that can be said about a lot of things. When I build or look at some of our products, say to my self "I wonder why thy did that, I would have.." that is when I put my spin on things and do it my way. http://www.tamiyausa.com/ecorner/joe.php I kind of think this whole site and most of the hobby is this way. How many builds do you see that are stock down to the paint colors called out in the manual. I could go on and on...

I stated the facts, I never said they were on the box. I said where they were and took the time to document it for other users. If you care to browse our radio control tech tips, you will see that I spend alot of time building our product, modifying them to my taste and trying to help others. My goal is to help and have fun trading inspirations with you all. http://www.tamiyausa.com/articles/article_category_listing.php?id=7

None of this is my job to do, I do it for the love of the hobby. I get pleasure sharing my work and when someone walks up to me at shows and says "I read your build article on X, and wanted to say thanks it really helped me".

I have run many forums like this on my own dime to promote the hobby and create a great resource for users and know the pains to keep the peace with different personalities, I know what the mods and admin go through. We should thank them for what they do to keep this a clean fun place to hang and share.

I apologize as I went way to long here.

Peace out,

Joe

[Animal]

I am hoping this is the last time I have to DEFEND myself for sharing my feelings. My problem was not so much with Joe, but with the others that chimed in with nothing productive or helpful to say. By that I'm referring to the statements that kept repeating the same thing "Read the instructions". those people are the ones I'm talking about. As I said in my original post, I would have posted a reply there with the same support and hopefully helpful advice that I sent him in a personal message. Now I'm getting the same thing people spouting off at me about reading the instructions.

Joe, I'm sorry If you felt like I was attacking you personally. That was not my intent ether. I have a lot of respect for you and all the people working to keep this form a fun and happy place. I also understand that not all the information can be put on the Box.

P.S. I am a little jealous though, I would love to work for Tamiya.:o

[1985 kenworth]

I've had my Dollies Dissed, as I used Pole trailers that are shortened and lowered... well took a look at them and saw that they looked like Dollies when you take the swingy thing off the top of the back...

but most people love them, so it's all good...

I sometimes think my Knight hauler could have done with an extra coat of paint in certain light conditions... but I'm happy with it...

and '85 anyone that says negative comments usually jealous or what they can't achieve themselves...

that is true.

[1985 kenworth]

i have a thick skin but some don't and by people doing this it will make new guys and gals shy about posting any pics of their builds and that is what i would like to make them...wait i cannot make anybody do anything ...i would like them to feel comfortable with showing their builds no matter what stage it is in and not feel inferior to those of us that have been building for some time .i love looking at all the new builds and ideas out there..i may not post replies all the time ..although i should .i feel honoured when someone...anyone asks me how i did something or advice on something they want to do .to me that makes my day and i really wish people would really back off so everyone will feel good about being here and post everything they are building :)

[1985 kenworth]

My 2 cents on the topic .....

As long as the one who owns it is happy we all should be happy for them. Complex, fancy, simple, make believe, realistic, un usual or famous it's all still the basis of what's keeps us happy and sane. I have Re built several trucks several times to get it just the way I want. I like others thoughts and suggestions because I like to share and learn (not the easiest for me btw). But even the most cut and pasted truck is kool in its own right.
The unfortunate part is that the models become an expression of ourself. A thought, a memory a diversion from day to day issues. And with that even a well meant comment can feel negative, intrusive or demeaning. We all know this hobby is expensive. Most times pull off a custom feature is nerve racking. To have an end result we are not too ashamed of is a feat all by itself - i've been there many times. Get up close to my stuff and you will find out it has a good bit of flaws, and filler.

So we all just need to learn that others my come across as mean or hurtful when maybe their P.C. filter is all clogged up, and it just all came out wrong.

So play nice - and by that i mean to say. Spend the extra 2 minutes to think about how to type that thought and give that extra sentence or two to give a 'why' or to compliment on what you like rather than pick apart someone's hard efforts. I think that unless they are asking for critics then they are simply posting what they are doing to encourage others to try something themselves.

that is also true izzy but at the same time ,i am pretty sure some of the things people write about others is exactly what they want to say about them..in the end ,it can be a construed as a form of bullying and in my books that is not allowed and they should talk to an admin and that person who is saying stuff gets a warning then out.i can constructively offer suggestions to others or give my opinion without hurting their feelings or coming off as such ..if i can do it so can everyone else..there are flaws in my builds too but hey they are trucks and the only perfect trucks in real life are the ones still sitting in the dealerships looking for a home...lol and not the ones driven and or making money on the road

[1985 kenworth]

Ok ok I havent been on in some time and see I have missed a few things lol. I joined this hobby about 5 years ago with a friend of mine and at first was thrilled but as time went on we noticed alot of petty B.S. and jealiousy towards certain people and their builds. I for one build what I want and how I want it done. I dont post picks of any of my builds because people feel they have the right to bash people. It is a shame that as grown men and women who should know better and should be setting an example for the younger crowd are acting like little Fu@#ing Kids.....For those of you who have nothing nice to say about the builds you see and feel the need to bash for no reason I got something for you.
You are nothing but a lonely pathetic Azz@#le who has no life and should take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror you piece of crap. I will be at Indy this year if you want to continue this in person. I am tired of reading negative things lately it is a shame.....

TONY

tony that is wrong of you to not post your builds ..i mean at the end of the day it is your decision to post or not but by you not posting how is that setting a positive example for others..i agree .i build ..pay for and post what i want when i want the real point is exactly what others have echoed here before you bash some else's builds look at yours first

[1985 kenworth]

anyways ..enough about this topic now..it can go on forever ..the bottom line is ..people all ages...all skill levels....all ideas...do not be afraid or ashamed to post what you are building and if someone does bash it ..get in touch with an admin or somebody or me and we can help get them to stop this nonsense and i agree


Lets build and have fun!!!! oh we really do love pics any and all:D:D:D

[Howie]

When you build something you should do it only to please one person..........YOU.