New Dozer from Premacon

[tracksntreadslou]

Sneek peek any pics out there yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvK9SW6Zju0

[bigford]

???? What is it????

[Northern Farmer]

Cool looking forward to it, guessing it's going to be a Liebherr dozer.

[Cooper]

Awww, that's just mean!!! 37 seconds of haze and German that I can't understand!!!! I'm a big dozer fan and ,,,, well,, I'm an adult and I hate to wait!!! Lol!!!! Anyone got any other pics of what it may be? Six way blade to go against fumotec dozer? Looked like it may be a bit bigger but I'm thinking their market target is better suited for a six way blade machine.

[trucker n]

its akit u build yourself

[tracksntreadslou]

this was on Premacons Facebook page today ..Was in german but translated threw google

Premacon´s New Model weekly update:

We would like to up to mass every week a bit more to the new model. We think you know where the journey will take us.

Today is about the heart, the drive. The people who know us, know that we always try to achieve the optimum. At the drive, we have begun to implement it consistently. We bring the outside in the drive aware of planetary for use. The Big advantage is that the torque is there, where it is needed, namely on all alone. We have seen existing concepts and found that you are still here can be a lot better. In addition to the torque has the one cuppa gearbox nor an advantage. The model is much trace loyal than with a simple angle. No matter whether the model one-sided or symmetrical will be charged. Also deliver the faulhaber engines together with the servo naut-chains controller an incomparable drive image and feedback.

Planetary outside in every gear is made of steel and double bearings. Are all the main drive wheels with passport feathers and madenschrauben secured on the wave.
In Theory, would be a torque of 30 NM per deliver possible. This will show up in very low flow in the drive and leaves room for even bigger models.
Here is a picture to illustrate.

Premacon's New Model weekly update:

We want to reveal every week a bit more about the new model. We think You know where things are headed.

Today is about the heart of the drive. Those who know us know that we always try to achieve the optimum. When driving, we began systematically implement it. We developed a planetary gear drive. The big advantage is that the torque is produced where it is needed, namely at Turas. We looked and found that it can be much better as in existing concepts. In addition to the torque, the planetary gear has another advantage. The model is much track spreader than with a simple angle drive. Whether the model is loaded on one side or symmetrically. Further, the Faulhaber motors deliver together with the Servonaut chain regulator an incomparable driving image and response.

Outside planetary gear each gear is made of steel and double ball bearings.
All main drive wheels are secured with keyways and set screws on the shaft.
Theoretically, a torque transfer of 30 Nm per Turas would be possible. This is reflected in very low currents in the drive and leaves room for even larger models.

Enclosed is a picture to illustrate.

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14102492_1109564592473673_8393854471091445603_n.jp g?oh=a9cf7f5a4884886100b4f9a028b0b9ae&oe=584AE08A

[Rvjimd]

Wow, that drive sprocket assembly looks cool, and expensive. :rolleyes:


I want one but I think I'm too cheap to pay the price they are going to ask for something that looks that slick. :o

Jim

[Jack3M]

You will spend 10K to get the whole shebang. Too rich for my fun. Shame, nice model

[tracksntreadslou]

more new sneak pics of dozer parts
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x63/tracksntreadslou/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1473467080992_zpsqo09um2d.jpg (http://s181.photobucket.com/user/tracksntreadslou/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1473467080992_zpsqo09um2d.jpg.html)
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x63/tracksntreadslou/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1473467103973_zpsnjiihokk.jpg (http://s181.photobucket.com/user/tracksntreadslou/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1473467103973_zpsnjiihokk.jpg.html)
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x63/tracksntreadslou/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1473467110167_zpsfickkozl.jpg (http://s181.photobucket.com/user/tracksntreadslou/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1473467110167_zpsfickkozl.jpg.html)
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x63/tracksntreadslou/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1473467117193_zpslqcqie8g.jpg (http://s181.photobucket.com/user/tracksntreadslou/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1473467117193_zpslqcqie8g.jpg.html)
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x63/tracksntreadslou/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1473467125979_zps84cfc98x.jpg (http://s181.photobucket.com/user/tracksntreadslou/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1473467125979_zps84cfc98x.jpg.html)

[Supermario]

Lou, you already got a new dozer, quit drooling and dreaming about this one....:rolleyes::lol:

[tracksntreadslou]

Bahahahah...I just love dozers ..You have one you have to get them all

[bigford]

I HOPE that's not true lou

[ihbuilder]

Bahahahah...I just love dozers ..You have one you have to get them all

:D:D so true :D:D::bounce:

[bigford]

Noooo.....

[Supermario]

Noooo.....

:lol: I hear ya Mark. They say this is a hobby but I'm starting to lean more towards sickness :eek: :D

And ya, hate to say it but Lou is right :D

[bigford]

:lol: I hear ya Mark. They say this is a hobby but I'm starting to lean more towards sickness :eek: :D

And ya, hate to say it but Lou is right :D

So what's your next dozer Mario????

[Supermario]

Well, if money wasn't an issue it would be the premacon dozer of course but what's more possible would be the rc4wd or I'd seriously consider trying out a Grumalu dozer. :)

http://grumalu.com/en/85-bulldozer-dt70-v3-scale-1-132-24-kg.html

[Northern Farmer]

Yeah I also like Grumalu's dozers, their very heavy and have a lot of pushing power to them.

[tracksntreadslou]

New video of the Dozer ..looks pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CircUkiqA4

[Northern Farmer]

Wow pretty impressive! :eek:

[Kausekaos]

Never really been a dozer fan but that machine is nice.

[Brel]

looks nice any idea on the cost of the dozer

[liftmys10]

looks nice any idea on the cost of the dozer

I'm not sure if cost is something to worry about as to WHEN you receive the product is the killer! Currently all orders of their excavators are on hold until July 2018! So when you place your order hopefully by July 2018, you will then have to wait a few more months to receive it.

Premacon has a message on thier website for the excavator regarding this. Not sure if this applies to their other models.

Regardless, the dozer looks fantastic.

[ihbuilder]

I'm not sure if cost is something to worry about as to WHEN you receive the product is the killer! Currently all orders of their excavators are on hold until July 2018! So when you place your order hopefully by July 2018, you will then have to wait a few more months to receive it.

Premacon has a message on thier website for the excavator regarding this. Not sure if this applies to their other models.

Regardless, the dozer looks fantastic.

Apparently, they're looking for a new vender to make they're parts . That takes time .

[PREMACON]

I'm not sure if cost is something to worry about as to WHEN you receive the product is the killer! Currently all orders of their excavators are on hold until July 2018! So when you place your order hopefully by July 2018, you will then have to wait a few more months to receive it.

Premacon has a message on thier website for the excavator regarding this. Not sure if this applies to their other models.

Regardless, the dozer looks fantastic.

Sorry this post is not correct. We actually start a new production process. At the fair in Friedrichshafen 2016 we will start again with ordering. There is no on hold till july 2018. So please stop posting wrong thongs.

best regards
Frank from premacon

[liftmys10]

Sorry this post is not correct. We actually start a new production process. At the fair in Friedrichshafen 2016 we will start again with ordering. There is no on hold till july 2018. So please stop posting wrong thongs.

best regards
Frank from premacon
I apologize as I misunderstood then from reading what was posted on your website.
I have only posted one topic regarding premacons deleivery date. Not sure if you are confusing me with someone else?
Again, I apologize for any misunderstanding. Always contact the vendor for more information. I was just passing along what I understood.
Thanks,
Shawn

This is directly from your website.
"Dear customer,

Thanks for the inquiry about our models. We are currently out sold to 07/2018.
We can call currently no exact delivery dates for new orders. That is why we are working on a new network of suppliers and personnel in the production.
You may register on a waiting list are welcome. However, we cannot actually quarantee any fixed sale price.
We will inform you exactly in about 8 weeks.

Best regards
Premacon Team"

[PREMACON]

I apologize as I misunderstood then from reading what was posted on your website.
I have only posted one topic regarding premacons deleivery date. Not sure if you are confusing me with someone else?
Again, I apologize for any misunderstanding. Always contact the vendor for more information. I was just passing along what I understood.
Thanks,
Shawn

This is directly from your website.
"Dear customer,

Thanks for the inquiry about our models. We are currently out sold to 07/2018.
We can call currently no exact delivery dates for new orders. That is why we are working on a new network of suppliers and personnel in the production.
You may register on a waiting list are welcome. However, we cannot actually quarantee any fixed sale price.
We will inform you exactly in about 8 weeks.

Best regards
Premacon Team"

No Problem mistake in your Mail we Start at fair Friedrichshafen 2016 again. So sorry for that wring Mail by my asistance. All actual orders will be Produced still further on.

[bigford]

looks like a great machine frank

[dozerbuilder]

No Problem mistake in your Mail we Start at fair Friedrichshafen 2016 again. So sorry for that wring Mail by my asistance. All actual orders will be Produced still further on.

That video shows it pussying around in loose sand. Come on premacon, show us what it can do in rock like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLGbWYp6u-U.

[Northern Farmer]

That video shows it pussying around in loose sand. Come on premacon, show us what it can do in rock like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLGbWYp6u-U.

Yeah I noticed our German counterparts build great looking accurate to detail dozers, but from what I see they don't seem to have the power to play in rough material as the models simply aren't heavy enough to handle it.

[PREMACON]

We built a 25 Ton machine. It is no problem to play in hard ground. but you compare it with d9 or that stuff. therefore you should compare with a a 776.

all people wished a smaler machine for playing in Parcours.

More videos will follow

[Northern Farmer]

Which makes great sense. In Germany you guys have beautiful rc construction sites with everything looking to scale for members to come play. On the hand over here in North America the hobby is still rather new with guys rather doing their own thing in their backyard and end up moving heavier material around then you would in a indoor site setup.

[dozerbuilder]

" It is no problem to play in hard ground"

OK, show us then. That's all we ask before we consider parting with $5000 maybe more (at a guess) plus $700 shipping (at a guess plus insurance and import duties and State taxes).

But you compare it with d9 or that stuff. therefore you should compare with a a 776.

1:1 776 at 73 tons is a D10 size machine, not D9R.

1:1 4T3 T-800 is 106 tons, not a 776 at 73 tons. T-800 = D11 or D475-5.

[TheBennyB]

I've always accepted that no matter what hobby it is your always going to have to mod/upgrade a bit. For the most part no manufacturer develops machines for what we plan for them. Just not in the price point, especially regarding drive train. That being said the manufacturer better have spot on customer service for replacement parts and room to develop better parts. As farmer pointed out seems the EU customers are running at events with perfectly groomed events while some of us are just backyard turf busters.
Mainly just whats available to each own. Either way all these machines are pretty **** good platforms to base off of in my opinion.
Don't want to get too harsh on these manufacturer's fella's. It's a small niche hobby and unless you have the tooling or someone in the field to do it for ya their what we have and they can disappear like a fart in the wind if we don't support.

[Northern Farmer]

Well put Benny!

[bigford]

better watch out!!! you cant pick on german stuff or joe will get upset

[dozerbuilder]

better watch out!!! you cant pick on german stuff or joe will get upset

OT. Hows that BB D11 coming on Bigford?. Been a while since we seen anything. I can't wait to see that big brute hit the dirt.

[bigford]

OT. Hows that BB D11 coming on Bigford?. Been a while since we seen anything. I can't wait to see that big brute hit the dirt.

it wont be as smooth as this dozer that's for sure!! waiting on the machinist
to free up some space for me

[dozerbuilder]

it wont be as smooth as this dozer that's for sure!! waiting on the machinist
to free up some space for me

If you used a Dimension Engineering 60Amp dual motor controller and PWM to run those big wiper motors and set the ramping up using their DEScribe software via the mini-USB cord from your computer to the motor controller and tuned the motor controller and the wiper motors it would.:)

[ihbuilder]

That video shows it pussying around in loose sand. Come on premacon, show us what it can do in rock like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLGbWYp6u-U.

No offense , but that LIL dozer is pushin loose rock . If attacked properly it can be moved by any of these RC model dozers, just takes a lil longer . Yes, I have over 30 Years experience operating dozers mostly small 1's . You learn how to get-R-done with what you have and not brake it .

[sparkycuda]

" It is no problem to play in hard ground"

OK, show us then. That's all we ask before we consider parting with $5000 maybe more (at a guess) plus $700 shipping (at a guess plus insurance and import duties and State taxes).

But you compare it with d9 or that stuff. therefore you should compare with a a 776.

1:1 776 at 73 tons is a D10 size machine, not D9R.

1:1 4T3 T-800 is 106 tons, not a 776 at 73 tons. T-800 = D11 or D475-5.

Perhaps some confusion is from differences in weight units. He is probably talking about metric tons and we are probably citing US tons. Just a guess.

Ken

[dozerbuilder]

Perhaps some confusion is from differences in weight units. He is probably talking about metric tons and we are probably citing US tons. Just a guess.

Ken

Hi Ken. The EEC metric system uses the U.S Ton at 2000 lbs, and specifically excludes the use of the "Long Ton" 2240 lbs.

So the machine weights I quoted are correct.

Cheers

[dozerbuilder]

No offense , but that LIL dozer is pushin loose rock . If attacked properly it can be moved by any of these RC model dozers, just takes a lil longer . Yes, I have over 30 Years experience operating dozers mostly small 1's . You learn how to get-R-done with what you have and not brake it .

Come on IH, it's moist sand.

[ihbuilder]

dozerbilder, have you operated a dozer much less an RC one ? For craps sake , it's a lil grading machine the size of a d6 maybe . They're not designed for bull work unless you put a semi-u blade on it . Ever seen a 6 way blade tore apart from doin shyt its not designed to doo ?

PS:By lil dozer , I mean in the vid you posted;)

to add , I'd much rather push the loose sand with my D6 and leave the rocky hard pan stuff to my TD40B (D10 size ).

[dozerbuilder]

dozerbilder, have you operated a dozer much less an RC one ? For craps sake , it's a lil grading machine the size of a d6 maybe . They're not designed for bull work unless you put a semi-u blade on it . Ever seen a 6 way blade tore apart from doin shyt its not designed to doo ?

PS:By lil dozer , I mean in the vid you posted;)

to add , I'd much rather push the loose sand with my D6 and leave the rocky hard pan stuff to my TD40B (D10 size ).

Steady up ihbuilder,

I never mentioned any of the issues you have raised here. I asked one question, and it was to Premacon, not you. The question remains unanswered.

Given the tone and language of your post here, please understand that I have no intention of allowing myself to be dragged into an online argument with you. Thank you for your understanding. Cool off a bit, smile, and go and push a few blade-fulls of rocky hard pan with all that experience of yours. :):):)

[PREMACON]

Sorry what question do you mean?

best regards
Frank

[Kausekaos]

https://youtu.be/0YY9_jNh-xo

[bigford]

Dozerbuilder
You do understand that frank owns permacon
I really don't think he is starting anything. But I can
Tell you the mods will lock this thread if the bickering
Don't stop. Seen it happen before

[bigford]

I have rw looking into that hook up you talked about hopefully it will help both dozers out.

[Northern Farmer]

Sorry what question do you mean?

best regards
Frank

Dozer looks and works great Frank :) Those rippers are really effective! Have you come up with a price tag for the dozer ?

[liftmys10]

Not trying to stir anything up but it looks impressive to me. Check out the new video that just got posted.
https://youtu.be/0YY9_jNh-xo

On a side note, I just met Mr. Willi Liebherr today and took a photo with him at the Minexpo Las Vegas.
Super nice gentleman! The new 776 looks amazing in person.

[Kausekaos]

If I could spend Premacon $$ i would get it. Looks hot.

[dozerbuilder]

I have rw looking into that hook up you talked about hopefully it will help both dozers out.

Yeah it'll work beautifully on a heavy tractor like yours. Any idea what your all up weight will be?

[Northern Farmer]

New action footage
https://youtu.be/fPP61uNECmM

[Kaan]

any idea how much would it cost?

[Northern Farmer]

No pricing yet I believe.

[Kaan]

i'm guessing around 8000$-10000$.

[liftmys10]

Looks and performs great!

[NYHowie]

One beautiful machine

[Kausekaos]

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=NoL8G5fiIRU

Another video

[bigford]

Yeah it'll work beautifully on a heavy tractor like yours. Any idea what your all up weight will be?

About 110-115 pounds I think.

[thetractorfan]

Wow! Autopilot is a great model engineering evolution. It looks like it has a very powerful and well designed drive train. According to the discription, it has a planetary drive system and looks very powerful.:jaw::jaw::jaw:

[thetractorfan]

I could not get much info on the machine because Premacon doesn't have it in it's shop as a product yet.

[thebigo]

100 + pounds no thanks, good luck with your back if you buy this one... The machine is sure smooth though, but my Eagle Dozer is right at 50Lbs, and it pushes plenty at that weight.

[thetractorfan]

100 + pounds no thanks, good luck with your back if you buy this one... The machine is sure smooth though, but my Eagle Dozer is right at 50Lbs, and it pushes plenty at that weight.

The liebherr does weigh more but that will give it better traction and from many videos on YouTube, it is very powerful. It ripped up a compacted dirt road at an RC construction site on premacon's YouTube channel

[tracksntreadslou]

http://shop.premacon.com/product_info.php?products_id=875

Looks like the price has been confirmed ..basic model with pretty much nothing $7295.00 euro $8013 us and $10,740 CAD
Better be sitting down for this ..fully loaded Model with all the bells and whistles
$ 15,563 Euro $17027 Us - VAT = $13.792 and $22829 CAD take off the Vat $18,500 CAD + shipping ouch

[TRUCKMAKER]

http://shop.premacon.com/product_info.php?products_id=875

Looks like the price has been confirmed ..basic model with pretty much nothing $7295.00 euro $8013 us and $10,740 CAD
Better be sitting down for this ..fully loaded Model with all the bells and whistles
$ 15,563 Euro $17027 Us - VAT = $13.792 and $22829 CAD take off the Vat $18,500 CAD + shipping ouch

Wow that's getting right up there! But I can't even imagine what they would charge for a scraper like yours Lou. The complexity and quality of your build reproduced by a company like that would put the price off the charts, not that 18K for a model isn't already.