Bell 50 ton Dumper - ADT

[elliot330]

Its been ordered! Now the wait begins, should be ready for delivery early Feb, I only ordered it 2 hours ago and the suspense is already killing me!

After inviting myself to a fellow RC constructions house and playing for the whole day I just had to get a 360 Excavator and Dumper. I’ve been exchanging a few emails with Frank a very nice German fella who is passionate about the models he designs and builds, who also happens to be the same person who designed and built the big Hitachi/Deere excavators.

I went for this one as it looks very sturdy, well built and engineered to last, look at the guy standing in the bucket, plus there are no others in the UK. Another bonus, its cheaper than the Wedico ( agreed it doesn’t come painted, where as the Wedico does ) and it’s not a lot more expensive than the Stahl Volvo version.

From looking at the photos below you’ll see it’s a kit and can be painted any colour I choose, I love the white version… decisions decisions…!

Here are a few photos to wet your and my appetite and a video as well!

Roll on February is all I can say…


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The ideal pair
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/VarioBelltogether.jpg

Are you following me or am I following you?
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http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/Bell1.jpg

How big
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Big brother
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/bigbrother.jpg

Weight testing…
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/standingintheback.jpg

The axles
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/axles.jpg

Not my Video...
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/7494077/Custom_Bell_B50_im_Mastab_1_14

[Oil Field Construction]

Congrats on the purchase! Looks like a great ADT! Can't wait to see your build pictures.

[SmallHaul]

Congrats, gonna be a nice ADT!

The simple bed gate mechanism is neat.

[elliot330]

Ahhh nice to see they dun did a ADT to go with ther Ex's. I know Vario makes the finest in Heli's but ther venture into the construction scene also looks to be quite well so far.

Yep the ADT and 360 go hand in hand... the next purchase will be the 360... when the funds are available...

[Stuff]

congrats! now you need a truck and trailer to move it to the site :D

[Lil Giants]

Congratulations Elliot, I look forward to hearing your reviews on this model. :cool:

The 850 is quite a treat to put together thus far. :)

[elliot330]

congrats! now you need a truck and trailer to move it to the site :D

I know :D but I doubt there's a trailer strong enough to hold the Vario excavator.. by all accounts its a beast!

[elliot330]

Congratulations Elliot, I look forward to hearing your reviews on this model. :cool:

The 850 is quite a treat to put together thus far. :)

Thanks Joe - wanted to join the construction forum a long time ago, now I have a good reason!

and you! We need some pictures of the 850 build...

[RCLogger]

Very nice Elliot
I have looked at photo's of the first one he built, very strong.... Built tough

You will have fun with that one..

greg

[hitachi]

I know :D but I doubt there's a trailer strong enough to hold the Vario excavator.. by all accounts its a beast!

in norway some guy has built a trailer that can handle the weight of the vario
http://www.youtube.com/user/grimstad84#p/u/35/4Yc2gcHegyQ

[elliot330]

That's a pretty strong trailer although the tractor unit looked like it struggled a little on the bridge but then its hardly surprising... thanks for the link.

I think I recognized the Hitachi from another forum.

Still can't decide if its too big or not??

[ihbuilder]

I know :D but I doubt there's a trailer strong enough to hold the Vario excavator.. by all accounts its a beast!

we shall see this weekend ;) I do not have my extensions on yet , but we'll see what Ed's 450 looks like on mine .

BTW congrats on the adt :)

IHSteve

[elliot330]

we shall see this weekend ;) I do not have my extensions on yet , but we'll see what Ed's 450 looks like on mine .

BTW congrats on the adt :)

IHSteve

Plenty of pictures then, please!

[hitachi]

That's a pretty strong trailer although the tractor unit looked like it struggled a little on the bridge but then its hardly surprising... thanks for the link.

I think I recognized the Hitachi from another forum.

Still can't decide if its too big or not??

the hitachi i think was posted at scale4x4 aswell a very talented builder from norway put in together with some custom touches.
i would recommend this model for loading that huge dumper

[elliot330]

the hitachi i think was posted at scale4x4 aswell a very talented builder from norway put in together with some custom touches.
i would recommend this model for loading that huge dumper

Yep, it looks like Ole's one, from what I understand its now sold to a fellow member of the club.

I'm torn between the Vario exc and Liehberr 944 demolition... I am worried that the Vario one will be too big and too heavy to cart about - I would love to see them side by side... to compare them.

[Stuff]

I know :D but I doubt there's a trailer strong enough to hold the Vario excavator.. by all accounts its a beast!

How much does that beast weigh in at then? lol

in norway some guy has built a trailer that can handle the weight of the vario
http://www.youtube.com/user/grimstad84#p/u/35/4Yc2gcHegyQ

I subbed to him :D

[hitachi]

the vario hitachi in the video wieghts 35 kilogram
but the trailer can take about 65 as far as im informed

[JAMMER]

What is needed is a beam trailer that way you can block it up and chain it down to any height you want, that is with in reason. Ed

[Espeefan]

Congrats! This looks like a really nice ADT! Is this a Vario product too? Wow. They aren't wasting any time with new models, are they? I sure could go for one of these! Maybe a wheel loader is next on the list. That would be really nice. Please do share some (a lot!) photos when your new model arrives!

[elliot330]

Congrats! This looks like a really nice ADT! Is this a Vario product too? Wow. They aren't wasting any time with new models, are they? I sure could go for one of these! Maybe a wheel loader is next on the list. That would be really nice. Please do share some (a lot!) photos when your new model arrives!

Thanks, can't wait for it to arrive.. and there will be lots of photos..

This isn't a Vario product, its made by http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=www.fumotec.de who is the same person who designed and built the now Vario Excavator. It explains it on the website..

A wheel loader would be nice... and if made by Frank, would be strong as well.

[elliot330]

look what arrived yesterday... hope you like my assembly skills ;) looks a little smaller than I thought it would be!

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it took all of 5 minutes to unwrap it! Only problem is, it ain't Radio controlled and it smaller than a can of coke!

[Stuff]

haha nice

[elliot330]

Its on the way... Frank sent me a little teaser shot... should be here today!


not much to look at...but neither the less I should have it soon :D


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[Stuff]

ohhh its large!

[RAIDERS]

cant wait to see a video of what it can do...

[elliot330]

Its arrived, today a very large and very heavy box turned up on the doorstep…
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Upon first opening, I thought Frank had sent me his weekly rubbish, rather than the dumper I had ordered….
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Everything unpacked
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Look how big the rear dump section is…!
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The tyres are huge as well
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Wheel
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2162.jpg

[elliot330]

So where to start… axles seemed a good a choice as any..

All 3 axles assembled in no time at all, every thing fits together so nice, the tolerances are perfect, in fact sometimes I’m not so sure the two parts are meant to go together they are that tight…I still need to rip them back apart and solder the cables to the motors. The motors and gearbox slip up the inside of each axle and the drive spindle is supported by two huge fully sealed bearings, the axles even have O rings where they join together, this seals them completely keeping all the dust and water out
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The hub fitted to the axle
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If I had my way, I would work through the night and get it finished, but I don’t!

So that’s it for tonight, happy so far, every fits together perfectly.

[RAIDERS]

wow looks great keep the pics coming....

[grumpygrady]

when you take the axle apart to wire it will you take photos of the inside and the putting it back together
thanks

[SmallHaul]

Looks like a blast to put together. Don't build it too fast, you only get to build it once...:)

[Stuff]

lol or you have to tear it apart and re-build it :P

take LOTS of pictures!!! its all EYE CANDY!!! :D

[Lil Giants]

A good pic of the wheel drive motor? What's the specs/manufacture on the box?

Is the tailgate standard with the kit or is that a seperate item on the order list?

I ask b/c the quick coupler & even the decal sheet didn't come with my hoe kit b/c I didn't specifically order it. I said I wanted the JD850, but no decal sheet come with it.

Is there any other options you ordered with the ADT kit that are seperate options?

[elliot330]

when you take the axle apart to wire it will you take photos of the inside and the putting it back together
thanks

No problem, will do that tonight and post some pictures

[elliot330]

lol or you have to tear it apart and re-build it :P

take LOTS of pictures!!! its all EYE CANDY!!! :D

Ok will do, wasn't sure if I would bore you with too many pictures?

[elliot330]

A good pic of the wheel drive motor? What's the specs/manufacture on the box?

Is the tailgate standard with the kit or is that a seperate item on the order list?

I ask b/c the quick coupler & even the decal sheet didn't come with my hoe kit b/c I didn't specifically order it. I said I wanted the JD850, but no decal sheet come with it.

Is there any other options you ordered with the ADT kit that are seperate options?


Hi Joe,

Here's a picture of the box that the motor and gearbox came in, I will strip the axle tonight so you can see the motor... another good thing about this kit, only a few screws and its apart, so easy to service.

I feel your pain ref the extras, or what you think might be standard included parts. I think that's one downside of buying overseas and online. With regards to my build, the tailgate, wing mirrors and interior cab are extras. I only found this out, by looking at the photo of the parts on the website and then inquiring about them. I think it would be beneficial if the optional extras were listed.

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/7414bae7.jpg

[Lil Giants]

Does it say anywhere the reduction or output rpm? Thanx for the pic.

The biggest pain with re-orders is the money/currency exchange. Atleast the last go around I was able to phone to make small payment with cc#. However, it's nice to get everything in one shot.

[Espeefan]

Wow. The ADT looks like a really neat model. I sure wouldn't mind having one for myself. :D Keep the pictures coming!

[steamer]

Joe. Here's a link to the motors. Rob
http://www.mfacomodrills.com/gearboxes/940d_series.html

[elliot330]

Does it say anywhere the reduction or output rpm? Thanx for the pic.

The biggest pain with re-orders is the money/currency exchange. Atleast the last go around I was able to phone to make small payment with cc#. However, it's nice to get everything in one shot.

Hi Joe,

They are marked up as 100:1, but not RPM details. I temporarily connected one up to a 7.4volt battery and its pretty slow. Are you still looking for one for your dumper? If so, then I will do some more research.

Elliot

[elliot330]

Another busy night…

Rear suspension bolted up and ready to accept the axles… the holes in the chassis are a little tight, I think this is due to them being laser cut rather than drilled, but easily overcome, just run a 10mm or 6mm drill bit through it or whatever size the hole is meant to be. Job done…

Onto some pictures
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Bolted the articulated swivel joint on, again another oversized very well engineered part, the fit of the pieces is so good. I know anyone with an ounce of machining knowledge could do it, but I’m still amazed at the tight tolerances!
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2201.jpg
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The axles still needed wiring, but thought what the heck, lets bolt them on…
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2179.jpg

[elliot330]

Then I thought, lets bolt the front on and see how big this thing really is…

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2178.jpg


So, I got that far, lets put the wheels on!

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That’s it for tonight…!

[Lil Giants]

Thank you for the link Rob, much apprreciated. :)

So what voltage are you planning to run Elliot? 3s, 4s lipo or 10cell NiMH? The final axle speed seems slow on my adt too, but with a big tire afix to it, it moves pretty quick.

You're moving right along with the build... I should build this way too, before painting parts to find the trouble spots, but I have this resolute about doing things twice ...and all too often it happens anyway. :D

[elliot330]

Cheers Joe ( is it Joe with an "e" or without?)

Yes, the wheel speed did seem slow, but as you say, I think the large wheels will mean a faster ground speed. Although, I do prefer to drive them scale like, if that makes sense, ie slow.!

Ref batteries, I think its designed for 12volts, or at least thats what everybody seems to use.

Depending on room in the engine bay will determine what type of battery I use. I've used Lipo's in the past, but I've noticed a new battery on the market, Lifepo, they seem to have a large capacity for a fairly small size and they're voltage is very similar to Nimh

I prefer to build it prior to painting, so I can ensure everything fits before painting. I used to be a measure once, cut twice kind if guy, but having had to do everything twice, I'm now a measure twice, cut once :D

[Lil Giants]

With e. ;)

I see on the packaging of my track,swing motors for the vario hoe with a voltage range up to 15v too... so I wondered if these motors were designed for 4s lipo in mind? :confused:

Got a link to Lifepo? Sounds interesting.

Cheers, Joe

[D8R]

Joe, looks like a nice model, well designed, like those lasercut parts!
Good source for geared motors, and I like your workbench too, cleanest I´ve seen and it comes with heating posibilities (:>)
Dan

[elliot330]

with an e it is!

Yeah, my motors label also states they will run between 4.5volts and 15volts. The biggest problem is finding a speed control that will handle the higher voltages.

I'm used to RC car stuff, running 2S or 3S type batteries. I think 4S Lipo would be a little too high as a charged lipo is over 4.2volts per cell.

But these 4S Lifepo cells http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=14067 seem like a good replacement for the 12volt nicads/nimh. From what I have read they are the A123 cells that were used in the dewalt power tool range, they are stable and less prone to bursting into flames.

I need to do a lot more reading, but they also appear to have a 2000+ life cycle? However, you'd need to buy new chargers :mad:

[9W Monighan]

Joe, looks like a nice model, well designed, like those lasercut parts!
Good source for geared motors, and I like your workbench too, cleanest I´ve seen and it comes with heating posibilities (:>)
Dan

I'll bet it's so clean you could eat off it:p

[elliot330]

Joe, looks like a nice model, well designed, like those lasercut parts!
Good source for geared motors, and I like your workbench too, cleanest I´ve seen and it comes with heating posibilities (:>)
Dan

Hi Dan, I think you mean Elliot, that's me anyway!

Yes it is well designed and very strong, its the first time I've seen and used laser cut parts and amazed how accurate everything is.

Unfortunately the wife wanted to use my workbench tonight, something about cooking dinner... the cheek of it! :D So now I am confined to the cold workshop.... although I might bring it back in after supper!

[doodlebug]

Funny you should mention "bursting into flame's". I encountered that problem over to a friend's shop, just before locking up one night. Kinda spooky to think the dang battery could of burned the shop down! Later, Neil#2 aka doodlebug.

[tracksntreadslou]

Im very leary of using lipos..there was a fella on the garden that lost a.truck while charging..bummer..Anyway Elliot congrats ...looks like a very well built machine...I see a few hoses and fittings..Did you get the pump with your order?..Is it the same one thats used with the excavators?..thanks for sharing the great photos ...Cheers lou

[elliot330]

With e. ;)

I see on the packaging of my track,swing motors for the vario hoe with a voltage range up to 15v too... so I wondered if these motors were designed for 4s lipo in mind? :confused:

Got a link to Lifepo? Sounds interesting.

Cheers, Joe

Hi Joe, I spoke with Frank and confirmed what batteries he recommended, the reply was either 3S lipo or 10cell Nimh.

E.

[elliot330]

Funny you should mention "bursting into flame's". I encountered that problem over to a friend's shop, just before locking up one night. Kinda spooky to think the dang battery could of burned the shop down! Later, Neil#2 aka doodlebug.

I've read stories of peoples houses burning down... Lipo's are good batteries, but really need a lot of care and attention. Never let them charge with constant observation... :eek:

The other big problem with running them in our type models, is you must never let the cell run completley down, that also ruins them... better and safer to run Nimh...:)

[elliot330]

Elliot congrats ...looks like a very well built machine...I see a few hoses and fittings..Did you get the pump with your order?..Is it the same one thats used with the excavators?..thanks for sharing the great photos ...Cheers lou

Hi Lou, its very strong and I am very happy with the way the parts fit together.. and quickly as well, it engineered to take a lot of weight.

Ref the hydraulics, there are two options I believe, one with hydraulics one without. I went for the one with. It comes with everything, pipe, fittings etc. I assembled the pump last night... photos will be online tonight.

Not sure if the pump is the same, I will ask Frank when I next speak to him.

Elliot

[Hemi1966]

Looks great Elliot. :)
What color are you planning to paint it ?
Keep the pictures coming:D

[elliot330]

Thank Ari, although its put the tipper build on hold for the moment :-)

Still not sure on the colour, was going for the Bell yellow, but after seeing the white ones... not so sure.???

[elliot330]

Little bit of an update....

Well, after three evenings work, to cutout, file, sand, grind and glue the cab together… doesn’t look a lot of work from the three photos, but it took about 10 hours in total and was my least favorite job to date …

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[td9clyde]

nice work !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Snochaser]

Looking good Elliot! I was under the impression all of the pieces would be assembly ready, guess not. I vote for Deere colors (black/yellow).

[elliot330]

Looking good Elliot! I was under the impression all of the pieces would be assembly ready, guess not. I vote for Deere colors (black/yellow).



Thanks... I'd say its 95% ready to be bolted together, the cab section comes with all the excess around the edges, and this needs to be removed prior to fitting... Kind of hard to explain! I will try and find a picture..

Here's a picture of how it arrive, so you can see it needs to be cutout of the mould.

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/dumpercab.jpg

[RCLogger]

Lookin Real Fine Elliot !
Thanks for posting photo's of your build, I really like the way this kit is designed. Very strong, looks like it is made to be used in the environment..
are you going with hyd steering or are you going to go with electric, I went with electric in my ADT and I really enjoy it.. Smooth and always returns to centre..

greg

[Espeefan]

This kit is looking awesome. I believe the words that describes the process of molding the cab parts would be 'vacuum formed'. I can understand why it would take 10 hours to get things looking clean and for the parts to fit well. Still, totally worth the effort, as this is going to be one sharp and tough model, when it's finished. Thanks for sharing the photos! Keep them coming. I vote for white paint, but it's your model, and it looks good in yellow too.

[elliot330]

Lookin Real Fine Elliot !
Thanks for posting photo's of your build, I really like the way this kit is designed. Very strong, looks like it is made to be used in the environment..
are you going with hyd steering or are you going to go with electric, I went with electric in my ADT and I really enjoy it.. Smooth and always returns to centre..

greg

Hi Greg, it seems to be designed to last forever...its one of the reasons for choosing it over the others available, I don't have your skills, nor able to make my own, so I had to go the kit route and this kit seemed the best route. I'm pretty sure I have seen your ADT in its build/testing state on youtube... if that was yours?

Ref the steering, if came with hydraulic rams, I've just built them, as you'll see in the next post... although, I've be interested to see how you used servos to control the steering on yours, do you have any photos?


Thanks
Elliot

[elliot330]

'vacuum formed'. I can understand why it would take 10 hours to get things looking clean and for the parts to fit well. Still, totally worth the effort, as this is going to be one sharp and tough model, when it's finished. Thanks for sharing the photos! Keep them coming. I vote for white paint, but it's your model, and it looks good in yellow too.

That's the term I was looking for... its the same procedure as they use for lexan type shells, but the plastic on this is about 2mm thick in places, so very strong. You're quite right, I took my time as I wanted it to fit perfect when finished.. I am also leaning towards white as well ;) it looks nice!

[elliot330]

Time to build the hydraulic rams… everything went together easily enough, although fitting the two scraper seals was tricky…

Here is how they looked before

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2258.jpg

I know I keep saying it, but look at the engineering that’s gone into these… I love it!
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The tricky scraper seals, its ok stretching and fitting an o ring over something, try fitting it inside something..

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2262.jpg

Couldn’t work out why I still had 3 seals over… but every ram was the same… while putting the last one together, I pinched the seal twice… now I know why there were spares included!

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2265.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2268.jpg

All done

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2267.jpg

[elliot330]

when you take the axle apart to wire it will you take photos of the inside and the putting it back together
thanks

Hi, here are a few more details photos of the axles.. hope that helps..

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2274.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2275.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2276.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2277.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2278.jpg

little bit of grease and then the wheel hub...

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2292.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2293.jpg

[RCLogger]

Hi Greg, it seems to be designed to last forever...its one of the reasons for choosing it over the others available, I don't have your skills, nor able to make my own, so I had to go the kit route and this kit seemed the best route. I'm pretty sure I have seen your ADT in its build/testing state on youtube... if that was yours?

Ref the steering, if came with hydraulic rams, I've just built them, as you'll see in the next post... although, I've be interested to see how you used servos to control the steering on yours, do you have any photos?


Thanks
Elliot
Attached is the servo that Lou and I used on our ADT's http://servocity.com/html/spg805a_standard_rotation.html

Jordy has photo's on his thread Moxy ADT

I like how the cylinder heads have the cut out in them so the cylinder rods have full throw

greg

[elliot330]

thanks for the link Greg, I wasn't sure how strong a servo would be, but with the that gearing setup, i can imagine, very strong!

Bolted all the bits on… I’ll let the pictures do the talking!

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2311.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2312.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2314.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2315.jpg

Rear flap bolted onto the rear bucket, even this has bearings fitted in the hinge

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2297.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2316.jpg

[elliot330]

Some articulation shots for the scale boys!
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2319.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2320.jpg

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2321.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2322.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2323.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2325.jpg

Inside the cab – steering rams..
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2328.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2327.jpg

[RAIDERS]

lookin real good ..

[elliot330]

Thanks...

Boring Video alert...

Chucked a speed controller in, along with a 2S battery, just to see how it moves... the hydraulics are not yet connected, but just wanted to see it roll on its own!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_M_g7lqtvo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdItP9s0tCk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y0aJ4bXM7g

[tc1cat]

Videos might be boring to you but to the rest of us across the pond, they are nice to watch a persons build come to life even without the hyds.:):)

Lynn

[TheMachinist]

Looks really good:)
The articulation of the suspension is impressive.
Can't wait to see the hydraulics operational.

[Lil Giants]

How tall is it at it's highest point?

[elliot330]

Thanks all, it was ready for some power, so I felt the need to see it move!

Joe, its 13" or 33cm tall at its highest point, which is the rock guard mounted onto the bucket.

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/2542b66c.jpg

or you could make it 12" by removing the rock guard..?

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/bde241cf.jpg

[elliot330]

Built the pump assembly, again, look at the machining detail, there’s even a support bearing on the pump shaft…nothing left to chance

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2205.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2210.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2211.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2212.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2213.jpg

Not much of an update, nor much to look at, but all the hydraulics are now connected… just waiting for the servos, pump ESC and oil… should be here tomorrow!

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2347.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2346.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2345.jpg
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http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2343.jpg

[steamer]

Elliot. Your ADT build is turning out great. It looks like it's a well built machine, very well thought out to make it all fit in a small space. If you don't mind, the next time you contact the maker can you ask if the pressure relief valve can be purchased separately. That piece is looks well designed and that's a usable part, that' we're all looking for.
Thanks rob

[elliot330]

Elliot. Your ADT build is turning out great. It looks like it's a well built machine, very well thought out to make it all fit in a small space. If you don't mind, the next time you contact the maker can you ask if the pressure relief valve can be purchased separately. That piece is looks well designed and that's a usable part, that' we're all looking for.
Thanks rob

Hi Rob, Thanks... its hard getting everything in there, with my little fat fingers!

I've sent a mail to Frank and asked about ref your request..

Cheers
Elliot

[elliot330]

It lives! The oil arrived today, poured it in, cycled the cylinders a few times, watched all the air come out and voila, it steers and the bucket lifts up… what more could you want! Apart from a loose fitting, there were no other leaks!

Set it up to run 10 bar to start with, but the steering was very slow, plus it takes a while to get used to driving something that bends in the middle! Upped the pressure to 12 bar and very happy now… It can go a lot higher, but not needed at the moment.

Programmed the transmitter to only activate the pump when needed, that took a while to get my head around!

At least it moves and steers… and empties!

I do need a better speed controller though it thermal overloaded towards the end…!

Couple of boring videos…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBgVZYWHqL4

Loaded the bucket with 6 x 1.5 litres (which I think equates to 9kgs in weight?) of Evian’s finest and it lifted it with ease…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0WBloKimnU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLjPuIL0EE4

Well happy!

[steamer]

Elliot. Can't believe how fast you got it up and running, Great work. I amazed how tight it will turn,doesn't look like much space between the cupboards. Now you'll have to take it apart for paint or are you going to break it in a little more. Thanks and Looking forward to the reply from Frank.
Rob

[Lil Giants]

12 inches eh? may not fit thru the window. :D

Great vids showing it's capabilities Elliot, thanx for making them & posting on youtube. :)

Your tile floor, are the tiles 12 inch square? I counted four tiles for the turning radius.

I'd up the pressure to maybe 15bar for quicker steering/dumping. Great to see you got the "mix" figured out... that's a trick that blows my mind, it's a "why didn't I think of that yrs ago" idea. :D ...maybe if I was a rc pilot & knew/understood about p-mixing programming. ;)

[td9clyde]

awsome build very nice work and fast too can't wait to see some paint and a load of dirt in it keep up the great work

[doodlebug]

Hey Joe, can you let some air out of the tire's LOL:p

Yah I should know better:eek: I'll bet you can figure something out:D
Later, Neil#2 aka doodlebug.

[RCLogger]

Your ADT is coming along, thanks for the video's and photo's Elliot. I am the same regarding the speed control on the pump, just can't get my head around that, I get it for one function but not for all of them..
Have you put it in a scale yet, it looks like it has some weight to it.

cheers
greg

[elliot330]

@Rob... thanks, I wanted this for so long, hence spent many an evening putting it together... I will run it like this for a while, just to see if there are any teething issues...

@Joe, Make the window bigger, you only need 1/2 inch and you're there! It'll be the perfect companion for you new 360.

Ref the turning circle, Frank said it had a much better turning circle that the wedico, the tiles are 13" just measured the gap that it turns in, its 54" or 134cms So pretty good...

@Greg.. thank.. not weighed it yet, but its **** heavy. Will put it on the scales tomorrow and see how much..

I had it out in the Garden today, 3 year old daughter sat in the bucket, that made it work hard.. but it took it all within its stride... One thing I like, is how the middle axle tyres fold/scuff when turning corners with a load on.. just like the 1:1.

[grumpygrady]

thank you very much
it is not what i had in my mind that the insides looked like for some reason lol
these pictures help clear a lot of things up for me
thanks again

Hi, here are a few more details photos of the axles.. hope that helps..

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2274.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2275.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2276.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2277.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2278.jpg

little bit of grease and then the wheel hub...

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2292.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2293.jpg

[elliot330]

Been a while since the last update, popped over to Germany for the weekend to visit the Karlsruhe model fair/show. There was so much to see and do, I completely forgot to take photos!

Little update..

Fitted the rear straps that allow the rear flap to open when emptying the rear bucket… not much to look at!

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2436.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2437.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2438.jpg

After looking at some full size dumpers, I decided the try and route the rear hoses a little tidier and more realistic to the full size.

A good friend of mine knocked up a t-piece arrangement on his mill and I fitted it last night

Before
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2441.jpg

During
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2442.jpg

After
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2448.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2447.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2446.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2445.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2444.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/IMG_2443.jpg

[pugs]

Looking good

[Brel]

Elliot, the "T" piece make a good model look even better, it certainly has tidied up the hoses from the dump pistons to the main body of the truck

[jjackso5]

Does anyone have the correct web site for the Vario Equipment, please.

Thank you,

Jim

[Lil Giants]

http://www.vario-earthmovers.com/

That's quite a trick piece your buddy fab'd up for you Elliot, notedly an improvement for appearances sake. :cool:

[elliot330]

Thanks Guys

I know it doesn't offer any better performance, but I think it makes it look a little better.... and slightly more like the 1:1 version :)

[mazdaparts]

Looks great, why the switch to the blue hoses? Did you loose any cycle speed on the dump cylinders?

[elliot330]

Looks great, why the switch to the blue hoses? Did you loose any cycle speed on the dump cylinders?

Hi & Thanks.

The blue hoses are polyurethane and much more flexible than the black nylon hoses, I will try and find black polyurethane for the final build after paint.

Ref cycle speed, I haven't lost any time, but this is mainly due to removing the Y piece from within the cab and replacing it with this external T piece. Hope that makes sense!

I also released or should I say, was told, that because I installed a filter between the tank and pump I was restricting the oil flow into the pump, I removed this and have turned the pressure back down to 12bar and everything is now quite quick. I've even restricted the amount of servo throw on the bucket in order to slow the bucket tipping, more like the 1:1 model.

[SmallHaul]

Hi & Thanks.

The blue hoses are polyurethane and much more flexible than the black nylon hoses, I will try and find black polyurethane for the final build after paint.

Ref cycle speed, I haven't lost any time, but this is mainly due to removing the Y piece from within the cab and replacing it with this external T piece. Hope that makes sense!

I also released or should I say, was told, that because I installed a filter between the tank and pump I was restricting the oil flow into the pump, I removed this and have turned the pressure back down to 12bar and everything is now quite quick. I've even restricted the amount of servo throw on the bucket in order to slow the bucket tipping, more like the 1:1 model.

Nice work on the hydraulic line setup.

Is the ID of the blue hose the same as the black hose? Are you no longer using a filter or did you just change where it is located in the system?

Nice Machine!

[elliot330]

Hi Smallhaul,

Both the blue and black hoses have the same internal diamter. I think it 2.5mm from memory.

To be honest, I haven't yet reinstalled the filter yet :o but it will be in the return pipe when I do..

Elliot

[Ultrashort]

Hi Elliot !

Please extend the hydraulic lines between front end and rear end (manifold and front end), otherwise you get any problems in difficult terrain. Especially, who tipped the front of the car in one direction and the rear vehicle in the opposite direction. Since the hinge is located and thus the hydraulic line to short, and could tear or be damaged.

Nice model, .....german engeneering at its best:D


Ultrashort

[jjackso5]

"Lil-giants" thank you for the web site. Very interesting machines.

Thank you,

Jim

[Espeefan]

I find myself liking this ADT more and more, with every picture. So if I'm right here, it looks like Vario will be producing the ADT as well, even though it is not of their design, at least not originally? Same guy who designed the excavator also designed the ADT, but he is not employed by Vario? Wow, these models are incredible.

[mazdaparts]

I can't wait to see it painted. With less hose I assumed the cycle time would have been shorter, but I didn't know.

[Ultrashort]

I find myself liking this ADT more and more, with every picture. So if I'm right here, it looks like Vario will be producing the ADT as well, even though it is not of their design, at least not originally? Same guy who designed the excavator also designed the ADT, but he is not employed by Vario? Wow, these models are incredible.

Yes thats right. It is the same guy who builts the dumper and the excavator. He works for vario in the main-time.Also he works part-time self-employed under the label fumotec which sell both, the excavator and the dumper. Vario only offers the excavator.

Greets Ultrashort

[dirtpusher9]

NICE craftmanship. I liked making the cylinders, it's a good challange. Can't wait to see it working.

[Snochaser]

Elliot, did you ever finish your Bell? Get any paint on it?

Ben

[elliot330]

Elliot, did you ever finish your Bell? Get any paint on it?

Ben


Hi Ben,

Not yet :o

But I was using it the other day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgzrtrFD3Iw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhiqLWUX_CU&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2DC-z0AVRE&feature=related

[Snochaser]

Great display of agility for the truck. I figured you'd be done by now. Looks good, keep it up.

Ben

[Lil Giants]

Looks like you came close to falling off a few times Elliot. I bet that heavy dumper would dent ground! :D

[elliot330]

You're not wrong Joe... I am struggling to get used to driving a vehicle that bends in the middle and doesn't self center when you let go of the steering... like a RC car or truck does.... I need more time on the sticks I think. :o

[elliot330]

Update!!!

The Bell has been stripped and is with the painter! Watch this space for reassembly.. one day :o

Pigfarmboy asked

Do the cylinders come pre-soldered in the kit form? You added the rear flap opening or that is kit supplied?

Hi, yes the cylinders come pre soldered but need to be assembled, I think you can order them in any format you want, given your skill level or budget. That goes the same for the entire kit, you can order is at a just laser cut pieces to a complete built and painted kit. Again, it depends on your skills and budget. I can't weld, so went for the welded version.

The tail gate flap is an optional extra. There are a few optional extras that are needed to make it a complete unit.

Are you thinking of one?

Elliot

[pigeonfarmboy]

Yup thinking of doing a 40D. Thanks Elliot!

[elliot330]

Yup thinking of doing a 40D. Thanks Elliot!

You're welcome..

Email Frank and ask about different build options.

Also, have a look at this thread.. http://www.modell-baustelle.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=5351

or via a translator http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.modell-baustelle.de/index.php%3Fpage%3DThread%26threadID%3D5351&usg=ALkJrhgOGNc53ZR-mDTWtx6Xbme0IuRfnA

[CustomClod]

This is a great model and build good qork!
Scott

[Azonic]

Looking forward to see the build up, what color did you go for? :)

[elliot330]

Looking forward to see the build up, what color did you go for? :)

Thanks Kalle - you're thread inspired me to actually strip it down and paint it... plus a friend up North in the UK also now has one and his is painted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsIiw2tjY84&context=C2305fADOEgsToPDskJkjHxn9iUjfvvnTdA990I8

Colour wise, I asked the painter to try and get it as close as possible to original Bell Yellow.

[pigeonfarmboy]

Thanks for that link, I'm considering welding one up myself. Just drooled on myself looking at the outrunner motors with gear reductions.... :P

[elliot330]

Thanks for that link, I'm considering welding one up myself.

In that case, definitely speak to Frank, I'm sure he'll happy to send you the laser cut pieces for you to weld etc.


Just drooled on myself looking at the outrunner motors with gear reductions.... :P

Yep, I was looking at them as well... not sure how you would connect 6 x 3 phase motors together. :confused: Think I need to speak with Frank to see what he recommends.

[Azonic]

Thanks Kalle - you're thread inspired me to actually strip it down and paint it... plus a friend up North in the UK also now has one and his is painted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsIiw2tjY84&context=C2305fADOEgsToPDskJkjHxn9iUjfvvnTdA990I8

Colour wise, I asked the painter to try and get it as close as possible to original Bell Yellow.

Great that i could be to some help for you! :) Hope it turns out good for you!

I actually looked at that video the other day, looks great!

Im getting the rest of my dumper painted this week by a friend so i hope to have some time this weekend to give it some love!

[RCLogger]

Looking forward to some photo's with fresh paint

greg

[elliot330]

Got some bits back from the painter last night... the rest should be here next week some time. I am well happy!

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/354af062.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/d9e9c291.jpg
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http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/5b4b45bd.jpg
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http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/c5e9b27d.jpg
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[Lil Giants]

Looking pretty snazzy Elliot. :cool:

Now to get it back together & start wearing the paint off! :D

[Azonic]

That looks awesome Elliot!!

Looking forward to see it being put together!

[elliot330]

Thanks guys.. its been a long time coming... not sure I want to put dirt in there now... might turn it into a shelf queen.

Gonna start assembling the rear half tonight or tomorrow, the front should be here next week.

[RCTech9]

Thanks guys.. its been a long time coming... not sure I want to put dirt in there now... might turn it into a shelf queen.
They invented paint for a reason.

[elliot330]

They invented paint for a reason.

:D I know... just took a long time to find someone to apply it!

[elliot330]

Started to put some of the parts back together last night... rear half is complete. Just waiting for the front half to arrive back from the painters.

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/4c83d82b.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/97f71959.jpg
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[Azonic]

Sweet Elliot!

Looks great this far!

[elliot330]

All back together, ready for the big show at the weekend..

Still things to do and finish off.. but at least its getting there!

Sorry for the all the photos :-)

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/elliot330/Bell%2050%20Dumper/8af2522f.jpg
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[Brel]

looks great Elliot, nice work on the painting and the decals look kool too

[elliot330]

Thanks Brel, I can't take the glory for the paint, but I did apply the decals.!

[Snochaser]

Dynamite, excellent finished product!!!!!!!!!!!

Ben

[longhairRandy]

That looks great, you did an awesome job.

[Lil Giants]

Fantastic work all around Elliot! :cool:

Now go get some battle scars at the show this wkend! :D

[elliot330]

Its been used and has some battle scars to prove it :D

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[elliot330]

and some videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA8I0Bskkh8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anrKBsIA1Z8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyZOSqw2w20

[Brel]

looks great in the dirt box Elliot, the videos are great as well

[elliot330]

Thanks Brel, I'm really happy the way it turned out..

As you can tell, videoing is not my thing!! I'm no Spielberg :-)

[RCLogger]

Thanks for the photo's and video Elliot, looks like you had a great time at the show.. I bet it felt good to get her out in the dirt and give her a workout ! It is alot bigger than the CAT 740...
What are you using for lights as they are good and bright ?

greg

[Trucker Al]

Very Very impressive !!
I would'nt mind having one of those in my collection :)

Alan

[JensR]

Looks great and drives/works to match! :)
Congratuiations!
That was a busy show, sweet videos :)

Nice to see the old-style O&K working, too :)

[elliot330]

Brel, Greg, Alan & Jens

Thanks for the nice comments, I posted a timelapse video (something different ) and someone disliked it straight away, kinda took the wind out of my sails, but I'm over it now :-)

Its the first time at this show and first real outing for the Bell, if performed faultlessly. I am really surprised how tight/small the turning circle is, this makes it really easy to maneuver.

To Joe... its got plenty of scratches on it now :D

[Lil Giants]

Really?! I didn't notice any scratches Elliot.. I was awstruck by it's power & ability to climb so effortlessly without a single bit of hesitation! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-cool11.gif

I spotted that junk 740 sitting on the bridge... the owner placed it there, didn't he?! It never would have gotten up there under it's own power.. even without a load on it's back! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing013.gif

[elliot330]

Really?! I didn't notice any scratches Elliot.. I was awstruck by it's power & ability to climb so effortlessly without a single bit of hesitation! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-cool11.gif

I spotted that junk 740 sitting on the bridge... the owner placed it there, didn't he?! It never would have gotten up there under it's own power.. even without a load on it's back! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing013.gif

I didn't see the owner drive it up there... but I believe he did, he is a very good driver and determined!

The power of the B50 is amazing, it'll go anywhere. I know electric drive isn't really scale, but its like having 6 limited slip diffs fitted, if one wheel spins the other 5 just take over. With a full load on, I've had 4 of the 6 wheels spinning in loose soil, the last two had grip and just drove it through

Also, its good for entertaining the kids. Since fitting the an esc from Hobby Holmes, It'll drive these two around up and down any slope/hill no problem at all!

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[kerst]

Sweet!

[rcguyfarms]

that is monster in comparison the wedico adt.

[elliot330]

that is monster in comparison the wedico adt.


It is, its a lot bigger.

[Snochaser]

Thanks for the videos, they were great. A really nice machine, another added to the long term list.

Ben

[modelman]

Truck came out really nice and I enjoyed the videos but what scale is the truck-It seems out of proportion to the other trucks. Just curious:confused:

[elliot330]

Truck came out really nice and I enjoyed the videos but what scale is the truck-It seems out of proportion to the other trucks. Just curious:confused:

Thanks, I'm happy with how it turned out. Reference the scale, it is 14.5, but as its a 50 ton machine, its a lot bigger than the cat dumper as that is only a 40 ton machine. Another thing that makes it look big, is the company that it keeps :-) it wouldn't normally be seen driving on the highway with other trucks, it would normally be in a mine or quarry with 80ton excavators or similar sized machines. Basically, its in the wrong enviroment! That's only my thoughts, but hope it helps.

[Espeefan]

Goodness, that is a beautiful machine. Now I really want one! The paint looks really good on there, and your extra attention to the details makes the difference. Your kids are quite lucky! I couldn't imagine the fun they must have riding around in the box. Kids these days have so good! At that age, I used to have push my toys around on the floor and wear out the knees in my pants. Your's get to ride in style.

[jtroyer06]

elliot330

What esc did you end up going with, and hows it holding up? Thanks! Jordan

[dabears]

WOW that is cool!! Awesome videos thank you for posting them!! Looked like you had fun at the show!

[elliot330]

elliot330

What esc did you end up going with, and hows it holding up? Thanks! Jordan

I initially went with the Tekin FSR but it kept trippin out under load, so I then fitted a Holmes Hobbies TorqueMaster BR-XL - it can handle the 12volt battery and is tunable. Really holding up well, until I got it wet! It doesn't like the water at all.

[Azonic]

I initially went with the Tekin FSR but it kept trippin out under load, so I then fitted a Holmes Hobbies TorqueMaster BR-XL - it can handle the 12volt battery and is tunable. Really holding up well, until I got it wet! It doesn't like the water at all.

Servonaut S20! :)

[elliot330]

Servonaut S20! :)

Yep, that was the first to be fitted, but I removed it straight away. I didn't like how the filters in the esc remove the direct drive. It was fine on the flat ground, but whenever I was offroad I didn't like it. But to be fair I came from a scale crawling background and prefer the direct response from a rock crawling esc. I guess its just personal preference.

[Azonic]

Yep, that was the first to be fitted, but I removed it straight away. I didn't like how the filters in the esc remove the direct drive. It was fine on the flat ground, but whenever I was offroad I didn't like it. But to be fair I came from a scale crawling background and prefer the direct response from a rock crawling esc. I guess its just personal preference.

Ok, maybe your right about that, im from the scale crawler scene so i know what you talking about, but i kinda have got used to it even tho in some situation its hard to keep control of the trottle when climbing and such.

Yeah it sure is.

[elliot330]

i kinda have got used to it even tho in some situation its hard to keep control of the trottle when climbing and such.



Yes, that's the same problem i had.. when I was trying to drive over a rock or boulder, I had to apply more and more power, but once over the obstical the dumper suddenly shot forward, even though I had let off the throttle?? I spoke with Jorg at servonaut and he explained that the "filters" in the S20 were the result of this.. the esc is very clever and filters/smooths out the input from the driver giving a smoother drive, great for lorries and trucks on the road, but I just couldn't get to grips with it off road. However, all that said, I fitted it in a Wedico 966 and it was completely different, maybe its the difference between mechanical and electrical drive :confused:

[apfubar]

Yes, that's the same problem i had.. when I was trying to drive over a rock or boulder, I had to apply more and more power, but once over the obstical the dumper suddenly shot forward, even though I had let off the throttle?? I spoke with Jorg at servonaut and he explained that the "filters" in the S20 were the result of this.. the esc is very clever and filters/smooths out the input from the driver giving a smoother drive, great for lorries and trucks on the road, but I just couldn't get to grips with it off road. However, all that said, I fitted it in a Wedico 966 and it was completely different, maybe its the difference between mechanical and electrical drive :confused:


It could be that the 966 is geared down so much in 1st (so they don't blow the motor) that it is very sensitive to voltage changes, where as the Bell is using the torque of the motors rather than rpm.

Just a thought, any idea if the top speeds are comparable between the two (in any of the three wedico gears)?

Cheers,
AP

[egronvold]

There's a big difference when you look at the driveline. One has one motor driving four wheels, the other six motors for six wheels. Since power takes the easiest route, you need quite alot of power to turn all six wheels in the terrain. Power = volt = speed. Just my opinion late at night ;)

[jack van]

Ok will do, wasn't sure if I would bore you with too many pictures?

you can never have too many pictures:cop::jump::cool::rolleyes:

[jack van]

oh if the picture with the kids in the dump bucket is the best lol