Ag-Chem Rogator 854 Sprayer Project

[twotoots2]

Hello everyone! I'm new here. A big reason for joining the forum was I spotted rc_farmer's fabulous 8103 Terragator! I freaked! I actually saw it some time back on the Toy Tractor Times (I think) and re-spotted it again here. Nice work rc-farmer! Ag Chem equipment is special to me since I own and operate a fertilizer retail facility in Wyoming. We have 4 Terragators and I recently purchased an 854 Rogator. Soon afterwards, I decided to build a scale model of it. Started in mid-September and here is the progress, more or less to date. It is not remote controlled, but will be a static model in 1/16th scale and is entirely scratch built except for the cab. When finished, the 90' booms will be 5 1/2 feet wide.

The real machine:
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I have about 175 hours into the build and the rig is about 3/5 done.
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Here is a video of me playing on the real machine.
854 Test Drive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWSA9VtNlI)

[kolpen]

Those pictures don't do this rig justice!!!!

Let me tell you all, this model has some serious details. As I have been following this build on another forum, all I can say is that the users here need more detail pics!


Keep it up!

Kolpen

[pugs]

Looks very good, can't wait to see a working boom on it.

[Espeefan]

Welcome to the forum! I saw your build on priate farm toys and thought it was incredible! You need to get some more photos up. The way you made the tank was very cool. Looking forward to seeing this one come together!

[twotoots2]

Thanks guys! I'll see if I cant get some links together on the project reports I posted on the Pirate Farm Toys forum.

[rc_farmer]

Hey Two...
Glad you made it over here. I have seen your work on the other forum and let me tell'ya...U do amazing working. I will keepa looking to see yo finish it.

[twotoots2]

Thanks rcf!!! :cool: When I get the gator done, we should do a photoshop where your Terragator and my Rogator are in the same pic posing together! BTW, Helena Chemical Company is a large supplier of inventory to our company. Would like to send a pic of your 8103 to him. He was pretty awesomated when I was telling him about your air machine.

Well, I can't post links over to the other forum, unfortunately. The links direct you into the login page, so unless your'e a member, the links cant be accessed. Ill put together a photo collage here. Basically I started on the rig in mid September and the pic above is the progress you see.

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[twotoots2]

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[Dreamweaver]

Truly beautiful build.

Were did the engine come from?

Are you using a resistance solder iron?

-Mike

[pugs]

Very nice, liking all the little details.

[twotoots2]

Were did the engine come from? Are you using a resistance solder iron?
-Mike

Thanks again guys!

Mike, I built the engine from a JD 4430 precision engine (404T) and a plastic JD industrial engine. Between the two, and some custom fab work, I was able to reasonably replicate the Cummins 5.9 liter 200 horse engine found in these rigs.

I use a solder flame torch for all my soldering. I use Forney lead free solid core solder and a Japanese mfg'd thin wire lead free rosin core. The big Forney works great for strength soldering and the wire solder is good for flowability and delicate areas.

Here is the mess on my bench. Can you spot the red solder torch? What about the rogator, lol!
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[SmallHaul]

Very nice work. Its great to see something different too.

[Dreamweaver]

Thanks again guys!

Mike, I built the engine from a JD 4430 precision engine (404T) and a plastic JD industrial engine. Between the two, and some custom fab work, I was able to reasonably replicate the Cummins 5.9 liter 200 horse engine found in these rigs.

I use a solder flame torch for all my soldering. I use Forney lead free solid core solder and a Japanese mfg'd thin wire lead free rosin core. The big Forney works great for strength soldering and the wire solder is good for flowability and delicate areas.

Here is the mess on my bench. Can you spot the red solder torch? What about the rogator, lol!
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL25/910966/23605551/393977871.jpg



Well then that makes this even more amazing. I know how hard it is to solder delicate and intricate parts like these with a flame, getting one thing soldered on and then another with out un-soldering the first, or having it move on ya..

NICE WORK!!!

I really should get some butane for my little torch, sure would be easier than using my big 14oz propane torch...

-Mike

[twotoots2]

Thanks again guys!

Mike, soldering with flame is not always user friendly. Like you stated, there is much potential frustration. Its taken years to learn to solder, select the solders, and fluxes which work for me, and figure out clamping and assembly techniques to minimize the cussing. It doesn't always work though and I still get my share of stuff falling apart, moving, imploding, etc, etc! :mad: I still have some major solder cleanup and "body work" as I'm closer to getting the chassis ready for paint.

[spudd]

dan you always amaze me with your work...........you da man

[enginemiester]

WOW! that is some bueatiful metal and machine work, it is one amazing model. Where did you obtain the wheels and tires for the model?

[spudd]

hey dan how about a update for the boys!!!!!!!!!!!some cab shots

[Darkrider]

Now thats def thinking outside the box!, Looks great!

[Stuff]

thats deditcation! love the tank wood idea!

[td9clyde]

your model is very cool it would be easy to make it drivable with the small gear reduction motors the have out now days and all the micro electronics but then again your gator is a nice peice of model building

[Izzy]

Very fine detail and modeling skills ..... Hats off to ya! I am yet again blown away at the brass work......very nice indeed.....

[rc_farmer]

How ya coming on ya Gator, Dan?

[twotoots2]

Thanks again everyone! :) Sorry about the delay in not posting progress..... Here are some finish up pics of the cab project.

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[twotoots2]

Here are some pics of the chassis bodywork, paint and final assembly including the hydraulics. The project is mostly complete at this point with the exception of the booms.

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[Snochaser]

KA-RAZY!!!!!!!!! Excellent job!

[mazdaparts]

Holy crap that looks amazing. Nice work.

[twotoots2]

Thanks again guys!!!

The custom decals from Mark Wikner arrived. The quality is very good. They are the peel and stick variety. I had LOTS and LOTS of trouble with the RoGator hood decals. Luckily I had lots of extras made up, I needed them! It was almost impossible to get a perfect line. They still are not perfect, but good. I have an extra set if I decide to re-do the hood.... Overall, I'm thrilled! The RoGator can now live up to it's namesake!!! A big first in this 4 month long model building mission.

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This rig just SCREAMS AgChem RoGator!!! :D
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The AgChem logo and the new headlight assemblies really set off the front end and grille nicely.
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Was even able to replicate the "custom" hood arrow stripe I taped onto the real hood. Gives the rig a little more sportiness!
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An oversize decal which I used for the door. Its basically a dealership sticker, like you see on autos.
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The liquid measurement gauges turned out fantastic!
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Extra AgChem logos were used to spruce up the plastic fenders. These were where the real ones were stuck on. I want to replace the real fenders on mine so they look this nice!
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The bulk of the day was spent plumbing the various tanks on the sprayer. First I painted the valves, then ran lines to the appropriate locations. Though all this looks like a big mess of spaghetti, The routing from the pump, pump tree to various output points closely duplicate the same routing on the real rig as can be practically done on a 1/16th model. This satisfies the early project goal of keeping the sprayer plumbing accurate and authentic. Not to brag, but this model could be a teaching aid to illustrate the sprayer plumbing.... ::) Anyways, I'm happy. Spent lots of hours, until 1:00AM finishing that project.

Here are a couple of views of the underneath side. I'm thrilled that this mess of lines looks like this, organized chaos and clutter, just like the real machine!
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The inductor (used to bottom load chemical into the product tank) is finished, just needs polished.
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Spent several hours on the foam marker tank to get it finished up. First thing was to super polish the old tarnished finish. Afterwards, I waxed it to slow the re-oxidation process. Used 5 min epoxy to fill the big hole in the top end, then re-sized it to accomodate the valve. Also constructed the little left/right selenoid valves (11 valves used on yesterday's plumbing project.). Mounted it in the cradle and added the water level indicators to finish up.
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All this effort pushes the project closer to the boom fabrication phase. I really didn't think it would have taken two months to detail, paint, and finish detail the chassis! ??? And its still not done, but lots closer. Next up is building a replacement exhaust system since I lost the original, and re-engineering a new cab-to-frame mounting system. With the exception of a few minor tasks, the chassis is almost completely finished up! :)

[Rogue]

Absolutely jaw=dropping :eek: I just don't know what else to say.

[Trucker Al]

WOW!, Fantastic build......

[Dreamweaver]

Come on now.. Those are pictures of the real one with a little Photoshoping...:D:D:D

This turned out excellent. I commend you on the amount of detail and realism you accomplished.

-Mike

[Tamiya Cowboy]

Your detail and building skills are just amazing work!

[rc_farmer]

That is absolutely amazing. You captured it down the finest details.

[doodlebug]

Hey Dan, Look's great!
Talk to your sticker guy, every time I have vinyl put on my truck and equipment, they spray some liquid on first. And that give's time to line them up, and a pass with the squeege set's them in place. No I don't remember what's in the spray bottle. Hope this help's in the future. Later, Neil#2 aka doodlebug.

[Operator]

Thats the real deal there! Nice!

I grew up in Benson,Mn. I welded at LOR-AL back in the yearly 90's, before AG-CHEM bought them out. I was making AIR MAX booms and boxes then. I then welded at Tyler for a few years after high school, before Case bought them out. There I was on Patriot frames, Hyd tanks, and Flex Air booms. My mom still works there, she has been there since 1971.

I can really appreciate what you have done here, having see many, many of these built from scratch at full scale.

Matt

Benson, home of the Moonwalk.

[SmallHaul]

Awesome machine, great work!

[SonoranWraith]

Stunning build for sure. Really nice detail work. :D

[steamer]

The Greatest satisfaction of building a detailed model like that, is sitting back with your feet up admiring your own handy work. It's truly a museum model in every way.
Rob

[satchellm]

WOOOOOOOOW that is amazing! good on you.

[Espeefan]

Very nice. The detail is amazing! It's pretty much a master piece in my eyes. Great work. Just incredible.

[holland trucker erik]

Wooooow

Erik

[D8R]

Just read this tread for first time, very nice unic model. As a beginner in soldering and brazing I know the frustration when it going wrong way (to often).
Looking forward to a complete model
Dan

[petermoblin]

WOW! Your attention to detail is amazing. Great build.

[deereboy3020]

Someone told me I'd run in to you Dan...Seems like everywhere I go I see that AWESOME sprayer...Can't git enough of er..Sweet job Son.

Daniel:)

[rc_farmer]

Any updates Dan?

[spudd]

He's to tied up with spraying and Playin with his mustang
Come on Dan let's see some progress