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Joe,

What is the track pitch for the "bolt-on pad" machines you have? (you may have already told me some of them)...I am planning to run a batch or two or three of several different size pads in aluminum in a series of pitches I already have drawn and quoted to start. What I am interested in doing is starting a construction model/undercarriage/equipment business for this hobby and want to know if there is interest in a "discussion" for input to see if there is some common requirements and/or suggestions people would like to see come to market in addition to my own ideas . This would be a good platform for everyone to have an opportunity to express their desires. I plan on offering complete track assemblies with sprocket blanks like others have commented on so, it may not make a difference, I could just fly with a step up (incremental) product that is able to interchange components within the same pitch and cross-scale the pitches to minimize how many large quantity stock orders placed with the raw material supplier. I plan on aluminum and steel link and pad assemblies or what ever works out economically to start. The photo attached is a sample of the aluminum pad. I have a better photo if you want to see a closer look. I need to talk to the administrator at this point I think so I don't overstep the rules. This post would most likely need to be moved to maybe a more appropriate thread?? I am posting this because you are running your models steadily and be good for feedback. thanks, Colin

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Not sure exactly Colin, standing on my head with caliper in hand with dim light, looks about 0.650"... Kalle took his tracks apart for pics and measurement for Chris, perhaps he's got a much more accurate number, eh Kalle? :)

I put new shoes on the WA500! :D

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The tires have pretty thick sidewalls & sole, still some hollow space though to add nearly two pounds of steel BB's. :cool:

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I had originally thought I would use the rims/tires from my scrapped 740, but discovered that the rims were too small of diameter to fit over the gearhead with it's offset spur gear output shaft. The rims from Fumotec for these other tires were large enough diameter, but the bolt pattern was beyond macgivering. The oem rims are a bit too wide & don't have a bead trough like the Fumotec rims, but are a couple mm bigger in diameter which will help grip the bead, and the BB's should help to both lock the tire to the rim, as well as keep the sidewalls pushed outward to help keep bead seated to the rim's edge. I used a bit of air pressure to expand both sidewalls to set the bead, which then created a little bit of a cavity & the BB's now slosh a bit... I'll see what happens.

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Nearly have my new steel bucket finnished, little bit wider, but everything else is virtually the same. Just need to smooth out some welds with the grinder, turn some brass bushings for the pivots & give it a coat of paint. :)

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I've made a pretty good dent in screening the wet lumps pile this week, but before dumping the damp dirt from the area that I just mined it from, I thought I'd better lay down a layer of bone dry crush so I don't have a welded (so to speak) glob of cement hard clay packed back in there when I go to retrieve it in dry form next winter for processing.

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Re: Hauling Dirt out of my basement (present day)
 

Joe Great updates on the loader. I really like the new tires and the tread design on them as well. The new bucket also looks good and it'll be right at home with some new paint on it and playing in the dirt. Keep up the pics and vid's as we can never get enough.

Tyler

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Thanx Tyler, much appreciated! :)

I got some more movies, but gotta wait till the 8th of the month for my internet data cap to reset... rural living & hi spd internet is not only obscenely expensive, but unfairly limited too. :(

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Joe, I know how you feel about the whole Internet situation.

I'm currently saving up for a vario right now, only about 10 months of saving to go haha.

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Would you say it is 16mm?

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Joe, love the new shoes on the WA500, they look right at home. And great idea with the BB's. I love following this thread as someone said before this is the proving ground for ALL equipment. Thanks for keeping us updated.

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Hello Joe it must be time to rebuild the Deere it is showing some external ware from what I see in the pictures. The most use my Deere got was at Cabin Fever last year. I got the new tracks fixed now I hope. I got to thinking about that and if you could put the two motors in the undercarriage in the center and run the shafts out to the side panels were the motors use to be and 2 sprockets and a chain to drive in there to the sprockets it would have been cheaper and every thing would be inside the housing. Ed

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Good choice Buzzy, you'll be pleased when you have it, look forward to seeing your build thread of it. ;)

Colin, probably most likely a round number like that, but not to say for certain that it wouldn't be 16.5mm too.

Yes indeed Keith, this proving ground has been what has kept me enticed for such a long period of time... I've seen alot of ppl (internet friendships) worldwide come & go over the yrs from this particular unique hobby, mainly b/c they didn't have a ready access playground to torture their creations regularly. :D

That would simplify things greatly for sure Ed, but then also at the sacrifice of the scaled look of the elevated bridge having to lower the center body to line things up, cutting ground clearance immensely... quite honestly, it's a shortcut I'd take if I had to make it myself. ;) :p :D

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Colin/Joe: I dont know if you talk about the pitch of the sprocket or on the tracks, either way, the distance between 2 pins on the tracks (center to center of pins) is 18.5mm. The distance from tooth to tooth on the sprocket is about 10mm. If i understand you right thats what you want, right?

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pitch= center of pin to center of pin

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So, the vario is 18.5mm(.729"), that is a little more from what Joe said. That sounds more like a 1/12th scale track pitch of a machine that size in 1:1 though.

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The new tires look very nice and are bigger as is the new bucket (which looks great, like going from a rock bucket to a mulch bucket), think it will make a noticable difference in the crowd loading ability or breakout force?

Do you think you were that far off on the pitch to what azonic said? And yes I agree, if what you found (.650") would most likely be 16.5mm.

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Thanx Kalle for checking in. :) And thanx Steve for the clarificiation. :)

No doubt I was that far off Colin, to be out 2mm looking at it cockeyed in dimlight. :D Kalle and I have the same model with the only difference being cosmetic; his is 12th scale bodied 470 Hitachi, mine is a 14th scale 850 John Deere, Jammer has a 12th scale 450 JD.. everything else is the same.

Crowding & stability should be much better for sure with bigger tires & more weight. Breakout force however is of no existence in this small scale, not enough weight or power to do anything more than work with cultivated material.

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Joe what I was talking about was putting the motors in side the undercarriage were the electric are for the swing and wires for the track motors, then a shaft out through the inner plates to the out side were the original motors were that is were the sprockets would be so every thing would be inside and enclosed in the chassis an out of harms way. This way you could use the original motors all you would need is 2 shafts 4 sprockets and 2 lengths of chain and you are in business. Ed

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The new boots look good Joe, is the rubber a softer compound on the new tires ? What are you going to do with the old tires ? Also, in the one photo I can see a new bucket with big teeth, it still has paint on it, what does that belong to ?

greg

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new shoes look good!

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I understand perfectly what you're saying saying Ed, is your newer u/c different than this one? Being these motors have planetary drives (much more powerful & durable than a spur gear) the output shaft would come out above the track body.

WernerS 12th scale Liebherr hoe was built the way you're saying, motors/electrics are water tight inside the bridge, but he doesn't have the center clearance this one does & get's hung up/high centered alot.

Greg, the new tires should flex a little more than the solid rubber of the other tires, we'll see... still on the bench currently fitting the new bucket to it. The other tires will be for track dollies. That other bucket came from a New Brite plastic wheel loader I had 20yrs ago, it's pretty tiny, I had it on my Stahl track loader a time ago, bucket isn't wide enough even for that.

Cheers Dean. :)

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It's in the paint booth tonite, I'll be scarring the paint off next week. :D

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Nice upgrades to your rig! This is by far the oldest thread in my forum experience (between GardenTrucking and others), and one of my most favorites! I really like the custom bucket, making your own parts is awesome! I can't wait to see it painted! :D

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Nice bucket Joe! Looks like you can handle lots of material with it.

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Bigrigger, I remember when you started GTF, you were quite a lil bottle pepper... you were 12 then - so you about 18 19 now? Thanx for the fan fare. :)

Not much more capacity RT9, but moreso the straight cutting is what I prefer, these models are too small to make proper use of a spade bucket with teeth.

So what to do the old WA500 bucket... hmmm... HAH! :D

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Having this bolt placed exactly here below the drag link keeps the bucket from tilting too far and over camming the linkage.. it still tilts as sharp as if it weren't there, but it puts upward pressure on the drag link so it doesn't get stuck in that position. ;)

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Gonna have another go at looking for that pressure relief valve, the hyds have been weak ever since I got it. I'll try to tie in my guage too while I'm at it to see how low it is, then bump it to 14 15bar... more power, faster speed. ;)

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Joe, it's been while since I checked your thread! I didn't even know you had a Scale Art 963B track loader! Dang, that model looks like the real thing, sitting all cover in dust and dirt. Shame it doesn't perform to your expectations though, hydraulic wise. I bet the guys at Scale Art never thought one of their products would get worked so hard. I'm sure the average guy would never run a model as hard as you, but considering the nature of the Scale Art loader, I'd say it hasn't done to bad.

The Komatsu has transformed into a beast! It's looking really good with the bigger tires.

If you do build a side dump, like the Trout River trailer in the youtube video, that will be one of a kind! That's a really cool set-up.

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Got it last Spring, bought it used from some one in the states... Ben just got one too shortly before, I didn't want to steal his thunder blabbling about mine. :)

I don't run anything hard Nathan, I just use it regulary... the 850 gets abused a bit digging so much virgin ground, but everything else is working in loose soil.

So I got a gauge installed before I did anything... with a fesh 3s batt, the press varied between 10 - 12bar... pretty low. Took about 80% of the pump apart to figure out how it worked exactly.. eventually found the prv, as well as a couple of oop's somebody did when the tank & pump were mated together... some silicone used for a sealed union between the two, some silicone was partially block the intake port restricting flow.

There's 3 ports on this pump on the tank side, each outside port - 1 is inlet, the other is return and the one in the middle seems to come out from under the drive gear :confused:, using a bit of very light air pressure in that port, I can feel air coming the drive gear teeth... anyways, there was some silicone stuck in that bore, partially blocking it. I don't know or understand what that port is for in the system.

Pump/tank back together now & working muuuuch better, press running 15 - 16bar, that loader really lifts fast now, although the power seems a bit lacking still (pressing down with my hand while trying to lift hydraulically)... a change of lift cyls to a larger bore is probably what's needed... some recent yt vids I've seen, the cyls look different than mine, maybe they are bigger. :confused: This loader is about 5 or 6 yrs old.

Anyways... seems my hi spd internet has been restored early, perhaps I load a movie tonite. :)

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Re: Hauling Dirt out of my basement (present day)
 

Joe, interesting about the pump having a blocked port. Glad you figured out the problem though. Perhaps now it will perform better. No idea why you'd have 3 ports on the tank side of the pump. Perhaps the third is a drain or a port to help the pump be self priming?

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Luving it now! It's working just how I want it too. :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iH8J...ature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcuq3...ature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANwlj...ature=youtu.be

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wow just checking on my youtube feed and the first 4 vids are from you joe :D

my mother is going to kill me using this much download :P

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How would you compare it to the Stahl loader?

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loving the new equipment joe love the scaleart when u going to show us some video of the d11 from texas wish i had not sold all my equipment now:mad:

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hay Joe nice videos. I just watched them on utube the only concern i have is that they might get blocked because of the background music playing, sadly ive had other fav. vids get blocked because of this very thing. I hope this does NOT happen, but i just wanted to give you a heads up in case it does. keep up the great work

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I hearrrd that Buzzy! I just burned up 20% of my data cap for the month already with those 4 shorty vids + here's one more. :o :D

Emil, Just the difference in weight, longer tracks, better balance makes the Scale Art 10x better over the Stahl. I need to find the loader arms from the wdc 966 and a set of Stahl dozer track bodies to stretch the 632 out... I seen pics of some one who did that, but no vid, I think that would be a great improvement of performance for that track loader. ;)

The Tx dozer is for outside this summer... no way I'm carrying that monster down a narrow stairwell!!! :eek: It's way too big to function down there, one pass & I'd be done! :( Why did you sell everything?! :confused:

Yes John, I've already been warned by youtube that this may happen... can I edit the video with it in place on youtube to mute the sound? or would I have to reload?...if it happens it happens, I won't make that mistake again. ;)

http://youtu.be/X3PvBoqXjlo

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i hear ya joe on the dozer to heavy for the basement i sold the machinery was buying a house and family come first i think tax return next year may get something we will see:D

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Joe, maybe you said but, is that the scale art bucket?, aluminum?

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No, it's the old bucket from WA500 wheel loader... the Scale Art oem bucket is too narrow, the tracks stick out about 3mm either side. :confused: This old bucket is a perfect fit (imo) to the 963, much greater capacity & this model has the stones to handle it easily too. ;)

Yes, this one is aluminum. The new bucket for the wheel loader is laser cut steel from Fumotec.

This is the 963's oem bucket (photo courtesy of Snochaser Ben)
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..there is a post reply button at top & bottom of each thread page, or quicker yet is the quick reply window at the bottom.... instead of quoting an already long post. Use the quote to answer or pose a question to something specific. Just a suggestion to help with the use of the forum. ;)

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Okay, I am still new to the forum stuff but I get it, thanks for the tip. The laser cut bucket, is that the one you have posted here up a page or so or is it the one you are taking off?...Fumotec??, is it the 850 bucket

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Yes, the one I just weld together on the previous page. The bucket on the 963 is the original to the wheel loader.

Fumotec is the designer - original creator of the JD850, he (Frank) works for Vario and they brought his kit to market for him, and have the copyrights to further sales. But Frank now has a other constr kit models he produces and sells on his own. http://www.fumotec.de/ A great fellow to deal with. ;)

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Hi Joe did you look at the sight,I went to the face book page he has. Frank has metal tracks in the works. Ed

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Joe, you are the demon from the hot inner depths!

Seeing those makes me wish I could win some serious dinero. One of the D40's or 50's first, then a front-bucket loader to fill it.

Then again, I'd probably go military hauler w/ lowboy first, getting one of Peter Muller's Faun SLT2-50's with its trailer:

http://www.sonderfahrzeug-modellbau....23a/index.html

2370 euro base ain't chump change. Less the 19% VAT, but add postage & 13% HST on this end. Still a chunk. Though that plain Waran chassis for 470 euro is tempting... when my pocketbook recovers.

Sigh, I gotta get to work on my stuff.

WhiteWolf

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I don't see it anywhere on his site Ed, and I don't have facebook either... can you snag a few photos to post here from his F/B page or perhaps post a direct link, maybe I can see it then. TIA :)

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Joe I tried to get a photo but it won't come up. The link is found at fumotec.de the shop scroll down to the bottom and you will see his face book page. Ed