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I have lots of info and drawings for the 88B

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Any info that you would be willing to share will be vary helpful and greatly appreciated. Thanks.


-Shawn-

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How deep do you want to get? I haven't looked at that stuff for a while. I have some dimensioned overall house sheet metal and can't remember what other prints and parts books.
PM me your number I could text some of it to you.

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Also i think i should mention an old favorite reference that's probably mostly overlooked. Still not sure which model of "Mary-anne" shovel she is though.

https://www.rmichelson.com/illustrat...-steam-shovel/

'Mike Mulligan and his Steam Shovel' is far more informative than newer references such as 'Goodnight, goodnight construction site'

Just remember to leave a way out... even if you dig better and faster when everyone is watching.

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LOL Finally something I understand

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Here is the reeving instructions from the buckeye clipper manual. I know you are not trying to make a replica of it, but maybe it can help you in some way.



https://i.imgur.com/AWqKFCp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/I5zKvMn.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/YW88leT.jpg




-Shawn-

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Here is some more useful pages.


https://i.imgur.com/bDqgwRGh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/B16vZhbh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SQaI7hNh.jpg




-Shawn-

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WOW, thanks Shawn, those are great... I couldn't find anything on the clipper other than some grainy pictures...
I didn't know there was an "A" frame under the sheet metal, I just assumed the boom hoist cable went straight to the hoist drum. I could tell there was a sheave there and the cabling made 2 trips but not much else. Plus that's the clearest picture of the boom end...What I had in mind was pretty close...
No I'm not doing an exact replica but I want to get close and this really helps...!!!

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WW2 still saw some cable machines in service.

https://www.militarytrader.com/mv-10...cks-with-hoist

https://usautoindustryworldwartwo.co...velcompany.htm

https://heritagemachines.com/nostalg...steam-shovels/

https://heritagemachines.com/commerc...c-crane-story/

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...s-also-served/

One of those was a story that sounded a bit familiar. (Unrelated story time)
I had a Grandpa that worked at as a pie maker at a Bakery pre-war, ended up enlisted in the Navy. Shortly after finishing cook & baker school, the navy decided they needed Crane operators more than cooks. Off to tech school for that, then got to run a harbor crane loading ships. Later another transfer to go run a small crane on some Pacific islands as they advanced toward VJ-day...

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Great stuff there Frizzen, and cool to hear about your grandpa... "the needs of the military come first" as they say...

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Old-school way to 'remote control' a shovel

https://youtu.be/QcdEXTDGArs?feature=shared

1940s O F Storm toy steam shovel

Gotta wonder how many big machine operators learned using little machines
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http://mininggeotek.blogspot.com/201...er-shovel.html

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How big is this machine?

Scaled YARDS

1 yard of dirt is a cube 36"x36"x36"
1/12 scale... 3"
1/14 scale... 2.571"
1/16 scale... 2.25"

Half-yard is a cube . NOPE
1/12 scale...
1/14 scale...
1/16 scale...

I kinda want to make some plastic scoops in scaled yards to go measure these toys

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LOL... that's pretty cool....

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I've learned that the late 1940s/early 50s style Structo power shovel is more of a 'tin-toy' than 'pressed steel' toy. I think it's worth patterning and remaking in a heavier material, but it's not really a conversion option...

https://imgur.com/H7N1I3lh.jpg

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Your math is a little off. 1 cubic yard IS 36"x36"x36", but 1/2 of a cubic yard is 18"x36"x36". 18"x18"x18" would be 1/8 of a cubic yard.

1 cubic yard is 46,656 cubic inches, so 1/2 of a cubic yard is 23,328 cubic inches. This works out to a cube about 28.573" on each side.

At the scales you listed:
1/12 scale=2.38" (Close enough to 2-3/8")
1/14 scale=2.04" (Close enough to 2")
1/16 scale=1.78" (1-25/32" would be the closest fraction, 1-3/4" would be close enough for government work)

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Frizzen... That toy has the same boom and dipper that my Structo has.... they just changed up the house for the newer toy....You could convert it...Just need to re-enforce some spots...