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Stuff 02-09-2011 07:44 PM

Another Unit Crane
 
Well it arrived in the mail today. Scott's build of the unit crane inspired me to build one myself. Mog and I have all the hauling down pat but nothing for loading! I got some 360 robotic servos on the way to that are about the same strength as Scott's.

They huge package that arrived!
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10209-1801.jpg

It emerges!
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10209-1805.jpg

TA DA!
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10209-1811.jpg

I like the size!
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10209-1820.jpg

Just wonder if a boom extension would be good.

9W Monighan 02-09-2011 08:12 PM

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I think you started a trend Scott:D

Stuff 02-09-2011 08:30 PM

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just looking mine over right now. the string is rotten, there is rope around the rear axle, the front outriggers are bent on one side and the boom is held together with a nail and the end pully is all bent up. ebay's gonna love me... lol

SmallHaul 02-09-2011 08:58 PM

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Go Dean!:D

It'll be cool seeing another Doepke crane run.

rc_farmer 02-10-2011 11:53 AM

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Wow, that gonna be nice.

Stuff 02-11-2011 09:48 AM

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what i got for a bucket.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ane/bucket.jpg

"It's a brass, highly detailed dragline bucket.

It has one shive to work the bucket. The picture doesn't to the detail justice.

The bucket is fully functional. It has chains and a crossbar.

The scale would be 1:48. (works out to 1:16 for the Unit Crane)

The bucket open is three and a half inches.

The bucket is 1 1/2 inch wide, 1 inch high from the bottom of the bucket to the top of the side rail - not including the teeth, and 1 5/8 inch from the bottom of the teeth to the very highest part of the bucket.

It is also 2 1/2 inches long."

mog 02-12-2011 05:40 PM

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wow sweet bucket where did you ever find that

9W Monighan 02-12-2011 06:24 PM

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That may work out to be about 5/16 cu yd bucket. I wonder how well it will work. I was thinking about getting one of those some day for my extensive dragline bucket collection.

Stuff 02-12-2011 07:29 PM

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well from the measurements scott got i think its about scale. might get a bigger bucket in the future but this has all the goodies. shiv, chains, etc.

Stuff 02-15-2011 10:43 AM

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servos arrived today. just gotta wait for the bucket and string right now.

Jared 02-16-2011 12:49 AM

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Yay! More cable machines! I'll be watching this. I've had pretty good luck with using braided fishing line rather than string. It's stiffer like cable and you can get different diameters depending on what test you buy. Just make sure it's fairly round and not the flattened stuff. I use Stren.

Southgate 02-16-2011 04:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared (Post 19490)
Yay! More cable machines! I'll be watching this. I've had pretty good luck with using braided fishing line rather than string. It's stiffer like cable and you can get different diameters depending on what test you buy. Just make sure it's fairly round and not the flattened stuff. I use Stren.

I'm just catching up with the action here. Cranes are always cool in my book.

You might look into braided silk fishing line on eBay. I use it on my 1'25 crane, but it is strong enough for larger scales. It will cut your hands before it will break, if it's not rotton. And it looks like cable; black, round, not flat. Dan

Stuff 02-16-2011 09:34 AM

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the stuff i have coming is braided string. looks like cable. dunno strength yet. reason i got it was it comes with re-string instructions lol

SmallHaul 02-16-2011 10:12 AM

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Dean, I use 2mm black nylon cord. As soon as you posted up that you bought a crane I searched all through my e-mails and paypal to try and find out where I bought the cord from and couldn't find the place. I think I bought it from a venetian blinds manufacturer.

The nylon cord is very strong and you can melt the ends. What is nice is you can make a single knot to tie it and just slightly melt the knot to keep it from coming loose.

Stuff 02-16-2011 10:16 AM

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hmmm what i got coming is 18 feet long. should be enough for now i think.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...#ht_684wt_1139

tracksntreadslou 02-19-2011 02:32 PM

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Hey dean Gona be a cool build with not having to break the bank to load those trucks you guys have ...Are you thinking of using that truck chassis and just mounting the house on it?

Stuff 02-19-2011 07:49 PM

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not really lol. i kinda like the idea of pulling it around lol. I do want to make an extention to put in at the half way mark. its a bit short at ground level.

Stuff 02-21-2011 10:19 PM

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Well a few updates today. Got out to Martins today to work on the Unit Crane. Think he just wanted to see it more then anything but then we started working on it lol.

first off we got the cab off the chassis
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10221-1503.jpg

I noted the main up boom was bent. infact quite a bit was bent. hard to tell some places.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10221-1525.jpg

Martin machined up some spindles
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10221-1623.jpg

Got the servos mounted to some aluminum.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10221-1628.jpg

mounted spindles
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10221-1709.jpg

got the old hand driven cranks out
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10221-1720.jpg

got a rough opening made and the servos sitting in there
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10221-1820.jpg

got it stringed up temp
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10221-1835.jpg

got the clam on
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10221-1836.jpg

then we had to go play in the flax. took some vids but i gotta get them on the lappie
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10221-1908.jpg

SmallHaul 02-21-2011 10:26 PM

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Great progress Dean & Martin! It will be cool to see vids.

Stuff 02-21-2011 10:28 PM

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lol putting them together now.

Hey Scott, I noticed our Unit Crane chassis are different. your had some ratchet or driven swivel for the cab? Also do we have the string ran right?

SmallHaul 02-21-2011 10:47 PM

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Doepke made some that had a thumb wheel to rotate the crane.

Here is a pic that might help with routing the string.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...crane24ant.jpg

Stuff 02-21-2011 10:53 PM

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by golly i think we got it right!

for your top servo mount, does it bend down then go to a standoff and bolt to the floor?
Also how is the angle aluminum mounted at the floor?

SmallHaul 02-21-2011 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuff (Post 20009)
by golly i think we got it right!

for your top servo mount, does it bend down then go to a standoff and bolt to the floor?
Also how is the angle aluminum mounted at the floor?

The top mount is only attached at the rear. The bottom angle aluminum has a threaded hole and has one screw coming up from the bottom, towards the front. I made the assembly like a "wedge" and the two mounting points just secure the assembly. Remember that all of the drums only pull in one direction...

Stuff 02-22-2011 12:35 AM

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video is done.

http://blip.tv/file/4796983

should be on youtube tomorrow.

SmallHaul 02-22-2011 08:17 AM

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Cool you got it running.:) It does look like you have the ropes routed properly.

tc1cat 02-22-2011 09:34 AM

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Many thanks to Stuff and Small Haul for the well documented conversions of these older toys. Any chance one of you might put a motor and driveline under one of the cranes?

Lynn

Stuff 02-22-2011 09:39 AM

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LOL everyone wants one of them. Scott is making a tracked one and i think im gonna just pull mine around for now lol. kinda expensive upgrade to it for it to move so little. Scott's tracked one is gonna use a separate rc gear for the tracks and i dont blame him. he would have to get one of those center things that lets you run the wires down and being servo that would 6 wires worth and not cheap to do!

Stuff 02-22-2011 11:43 AM

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Also some info on those servos. Apparently it only has one metal gear... but it does have dual ball bearings.

Modulation: Analog

Torque:
4.8V: 201.4 oz-in (14.50 kg-cm)
6.0V: 213.9 oz-in (15.40 kg-cm)

Speed:
4.8V: 0.19 sec/60°
6.0V: 0.16 sec/60°

not sure what speed works out to but it seems fast enough for me!

mog 02-23-2011 08:08 PM

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them center "things" dean are called slip rings i have heard of ppl using ball bearing. i never try my self yet. just make shere you get steel ball's.

Stuff 02-23-2011 11:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mog (Post 20200)
them center "things" dean are called slip rings i have heard of ppl using ball bearing. i never try my self yet. just make shere you get steel ball's.

whoops i ment centering things. but yea a metal ring would work to.

Stuff 02-25-2011 12:34 PM

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this is what i plan to do for an extension of the boom. see how it goes out then back in for thickness? well at the unit crane's hinge point i want to add an extension like Scott did. should make loading trucks easier!

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...mextention.jpg


also this crane is for sale on kijiji in alberta :P dont ask why i was looking that up lol

mog 02-25-2011 11:48 PM

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how much

Stuff 03-08-2011 10:29 PM

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well so far the string arrived, and today the bucket and the magnet arrived. magnet is lame but it was dirt cheap.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10308-2122.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10308-2122.jpg

get a feeling how small this stuff is?
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10308-2125.jpg


another rant. why the h-e-double hockey sticks would you paint up brass parts and brass chain.. *facepalm*

Southgate 03-14-2011 07:05 AM

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Anybody who would cut up a vintage toy, especially a crane, and power it up with RC stuff...is OK in my book! I love this stuff! Dan

Stuff 03-14-2011 09:23 PM

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The way I see it, we are giving these toys a new life. Sure we might be changing and cutting them up, but for the greater good, not a scrap pile.

Southgate 03-15-2011 04:21 AM

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...And as long as it's OUR toys, well, now they're better toys!

I have plans to power up this 1/25 crane eventually.
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o...ictures523.jpg

http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o...ictures526.jpg

It won't be self contained though. it will be mounted on a diorama, and the motors will be under the table. the upper unit will be fully functional, the tracks will be planted. I may build a truck type carrier chassis for it however. It too would be mounted to the dio. I did a similar convesion on an O scale (1/48) Northwest crane, smaller than this one. It was for a guy with an elaborate big bux model railroad. The crane worked well. I didn't have a digital camera then.

Stuff 03-15-2011 10:20 AM

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Ah, kinda like the demo that the coal mines have. its not wireless RC and they have a slot cut out that the cables follow along. Mind you I havent seen one since i was a kid but there has to be a dragline RC sitting in someone's garage or something that worked at the mines...

Stuff 03-21-2011 12:34 AM

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So I got out to Mog's today again. Lucky bugger gets to go to Vegas monday for the big iron show.

got the vex gear kit in
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00002.jpg

Got the bottom off the crane house
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00007.jpg

not without a fight
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00009.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00008.jpg

got the gear mounted
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00001.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00006.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00003.jpg

Got it back together
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00012.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00013.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00016.jpg

Time to play!
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00018.jpg

Martin got a good bucket full!
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00020.jpg

Filling the truck
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0320-00023.jpg

And that is a bout as far as we got before the radio started freaking out. then the bucket lift servo has seemed to stopped working.. gotta take a better look at it i guess.

oh well next time!! gotta make Mog a good video to!

Lil Giants 03-21-2011 01:16 AM

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Making some good headway on the project Dean, what's next to tackle?

Stuff 03-21-2011 01:20 AM

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extending the boom and getting a good radio to use in it.


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