Pete 367 in brass
 

I origanally posted in general discussion to figure out how to get pics up, and the pic I posted in that thread is farther along then where I'll start for this one. I am be no means an expert, I am posting what I'm building for feedback, and ideas. I hope you like what you see

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_8930-2.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_3658-2.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_3658-1.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_0073-1.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_0878-1.jpg

These pictures show the model I'm modeling, and the beginning card stock mock ups

Re: Pete 367 in brass
 

Looks like a good start, always the best way to do it. Get as many shots for reference and go from there. So your building entire truck from brass I'm assuming this based off your other thread? Or is it just a brass base with styrene panels?

--Dan

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It looks like your well under way! Are you biulding a strait truck or a tractor? Keep up the good work.

Brian

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This will be a tractor, with a 32' dump trailer. The cab will be made of brass, completely, the frame is steel. As for the hood, I'm not sure yet, I made a fiberglass one, it just doesn't look right, so I may build it out of brass as well. Here's some more pics of where I am in the build.

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_5249-3.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_6807-4.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_5249-4.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_6807-5.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_5249-5.jpg

Re: Pete 367 in brass
 

Looks very interesting. Any chance you can edit your post and put the photos beneath each other? Just hit the enter button after the IMG link. It would make the photos easier to see. Nice work though, so far. I give you tons of credit for building in brass. That's awesome. Nothing looks as good as a real metal truck.

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So, unfortunately this week, I haven't had much of a chance to work on the Pete, but I did make a new form for the hood.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_3658-3.jpgI started with the rear skin in this pic(I'm just trying to update from where I left off)
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_8930-3.jpgthe nice thing with brass is that it forms easily

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I shall be following this build closely looks like it will be stunning ! !

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What an ambitious project:eek::eek: While I love working with brass, I don't think that I have the nerve to make an entire cab out of it. I am not the best at sheet metal work at all. Machining brass is all together different than doing any kind of sheet metal. All I can say is "GOOD LUCK!!!"

Will be watching this build:eek:

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I hope I don't disappoint. Now the cab is brass, but true to the real truck, Im building a fiberglass hood. The first one I made unfortunately didn't work out so well, but I'll show you the pictures of the forms I used.http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_6807-7.jpgI used copper tubing to build the general shape.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_5249-6.jpgI then covered it with masking tape and taped the styrofoam fender blanks to it.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_3658-4.jpgI then covered the whole thing again
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_8930-4.jpgand this is how it fit to the cab, but the fenders are to low, unfortunately, I didn't notice till after I laid the glass(sorry I don't have pictures of the glass hood) so I have to start again

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Could someone post some pics of a king hauler front axle, minus the wheels and with some measurements please. I need to build a front axle for mock up, and to place suspension. Amy help would be great. Thanks
Tim

P.s. New pics coming soon

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Could someone please point me on the right direction for a scale cat motor that will hide the motor, I can't seem to find them anywhere

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This is one source, http://www.3000toys.com/catalog/item...d=NORSCOT55139 Or try your local Cat dealer, or the Bay. Hope this help's.
Later, Neil#2 aka doodlebug.

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Or
http://www.amazon.com/Norscot-Cat-En...5449485&sr=8-5

More money but it is IN STOCK..

Al

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Thanks guys, those are both fantastic resources.

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Excellent start. Would a sheet of styrene, your mold and a heat gun get you a nice one piece hood easier then fiberglass?

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I'd like to avoid styrene all together. I like the idea of a brass cab and a fiberglass hood, just because the fiberglass is fairly easy to work with( in my own personal opinion) I've made some decent progress on the cab, still lots to do, and lots of clean up and filing, but that's half the fun right?
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/085535c9.jpg
I've got the cowl structure built, aswell as the upper windshield brace
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/19d48a01.jpg
I've added the firewall, and the doghouse opening is just rough cut
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/f2ddc9d6.jpg
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/00fabafa.jpg
Here I've added the upper support for the rear skin of the cab
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/359daae0.jpg
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/d1008af9.jpg
This is just a general over view of the cab with the back panel in place
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/0a16427e.jpg
And this is a pic of the layout for the back window and the dimples needed to simulate the huck bolts that hold a Pete together
Thanks for looking
Tim

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Looking real good Tim......man you have balls!:eek:(your not scared)

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Thanks sneaky-Pete. I want to do something different, and brass or metal shaping doesn't bug me, it's what I do. I hope I can just do what everyone else here does. Any suggestions are more then welcome.
I'm thinking I'm going to rebuild the hood out of brass, what do you think?

Re: Pete 367 in brass
 

Tim this is a really cool build. If your looking fro some scale rivets/huck fasteners, try scale hardware. They have what you need!

Brian

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So I've got some new pics of the cab, I hope you all enjoy. If anyone has questions or suggestions, feel free to post
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/9045f4f4.jpg
I wanted to avoid solder on the outside, but sometimes it's unavoidable
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/0235eaaf.jpg
The seam at the back, it's going to need some metal finishing
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/dd1cf926.jpg
This is where I prefer to have the solder, less clean up and pretty much hidden
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/d134ee9f.jpg
Just a small overview
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/25afd066.jpg
And this is generally how it should sit on my frame, of which I really need to start working on lol. Should hopefully finish up the front skins tonight, and start the form for the roof.
Hope you guys enjoy
Tim

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I see! You made dimples for rivets. Good idea!

Brian

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Wow this is the first time for me to see something built out of brass from the start. I think i may be learning something new by watching this build. Great work i can't wait to see more:D


Mike

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I havet had much chance to work on the truck lately, but I did start the roof. Probably the most complex piece, but I have confidence, let's see how it turns out.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/64287057.jpg
The foam form
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/33becdf4.jpg
It's not perfect, but it's just the form for the brass
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/55944d50.jpg
And I always make a card stock form
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/1507df68.jpg
It makes it far easier to cut and form the brass with a general idea of where to cut and bend the brass
I should have some new picks later today, here's hoping anyway
Tim

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Wow Timmy, I can tell that you have spent a ton of time into this project. As someone else stated you def. have ballz to do a project of this complexity. I half to agree w/ you about the roof. It is probally the hardest panel to form w/ its dome shaping, very challenging. Keep it up man looks really great:)

>Marty<

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Im always amazed by what some people can achieve with brass. Looks great, cant wait for more

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So, I know it's been awhile since I've posted, but work commitments take priority. I will post up some new pics of the roof soon, I've been slowly working on it. On another note, does anyone have a set of drive axles they want to sell, mine seem to have gone missing from my storage unit along with a bunch of other things(long story) any help would be appreciated

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So it's been awhile since I've updated my build progress, so I'm going to do so now. Unfortunately my first roof met a crushing end at the feet of one of the kids. So while I'm waiting to get some more brass sheet I've been working on my frame and dump box.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...y161/photo.jpg
I bent up some frame rails and trued them up, funny how I took a picture of them sitting on the roof of a full size Pete roof
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_1272.jpg
I then moved on to the box while I waited for some connector pieces for the frame
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_6807-2.jpg
Here I've closed in the front of the box. I have more pictures I've just posted a couple to show everyone, if you want to see more just ask, I'll post them.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_0878-1.jpg
And this shot I took to just get an idea of how the overall truck would look
I hope you guys enjoy, and when I get some more brass, I'll continue on the cab and hood. I'm open to any suggestions as well

Re: Pete 367 in brass
 

This is awesome! Ill be keeping an eye on it. You do very nice work!
Scott

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Great build Sir! I am also building a couple of brass trucks and when it came time to build the hood and roof I decided to build them from copper instead of brass. The main reason is due to how malleable it is over the brass It will form the corner with the use of a little heat. You can just build a wooden buck instead of foam so you can hammer and heat it over the wood..just another way to build...

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Crawler07, thank you. I've used woodenbucks many times in my day to day job as an automotive restorer. I may still go that route if I can find a small piece of hardwood. I shied away from copper only for the reasoning of possably polishing the brass as opposed to painting, but copper could be a neat contrast, I may just do that now

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Timmy, what type of welder are you using on the bed?

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I'm using a 115 volt mig with a 25/75 mix of argon to Co2

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So I've decided since I have to build he roof again anyway, I might as well take crawler07's advise, and build a wooden buck. The buck I've made is a simple one, and I built it out of 1/2 inch balsa. I don't intend to hammer against the form, just use it as my guide. I've annealed my brass before starting so that I don't have to heat against the wood either, not a good idea with balsa, my wife would kill me if I set fire too it. Here's some shots of the basic wood form
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/5cc3fb48.jpg
It's a nice dock isn't it
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/2fcedbb7.jpg
Cut to general shape
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/27486720.jpg
Now this picture shows the height of the buck, the buck it self is 1.3cm tall (when I scale I use centimeters and millimeters, one cause I'm Canadian, and two it's easier then figuring out thousandths) this happens to be the exact scale height of the roof after it slips onto the cab, so as I shape the buck, I will have to keep this in mind

I'll post more pics as I go

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I finished the final shaping and started building my new roof panel last night
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/328f0dbb.jpg
It looks tall, but the dimensions are correct, and the roof will slide down slightly from here
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/5689086f.jpg
The shape looks very good in the side profile
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/99f80182.jpg
This is the beginning of the new skin
I may build the roof in 4 pieces just to ease the metal forming, it will cause more work finishing the solder joints and smoothing it, but sometimes the longer route is the easiest. And if all else fails, I can smooth the buck even farther and stain it, a nice wooden roof for this Pete lol
Hope you enjoy

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this may be a stupid question, but how do you guys get such nice cuts in the brass sheet? I find if I use snips the edges arent very nice no matter how i cut it, you can see "pinching" and tooth marks from the jaws. is there different shears available that are better? the only sheet metal experience i have is from high school shop and we used a foot operated shear that made nice cuts but i dont have the room or budget for such a machine.

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There's no such thing as a stupid question! I've posted a pic of the cutters I use
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/55147c3e.jpg
I'm using .010 brass so any good quality scissors from a sewing store are the best choice. I also use a pair of my old snips from work, they work good, but yes they do leave a knurled edge which you can fix with a fine file. The pair in the picture are snap-on, but a quality pair of Wiss snips from a hardware store work aswell. I also use flush cutters. You can get them from your Lhs. I use these in very tight corners, and you need to dolly the brass smooth after which can cause or will cause some stretching in your piece. Another thing to consider, especially if your cutting long pieces is that both the scissors and the snips will curl the brass as you cut. Scissors aren't as bad as snips, but it will happen. So to solve this I use my little brake. Insert your piece, line it up as if you were going to bend it, then simply score the brass with a hobby knife or utility knife, bend it, fold it back and it will brake with a nice clean edge.
I hope this helps, if there's anything else feel free to ask

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Here's a quick update on where I am with my roof forming
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/c5b11fb5.jpg
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/0c8f0835.jpg
Much more work to be done, but it's taking shape

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Thanks for the info, I hadn't considered using the small brake I have to do cuts, I'll have to try it! Your build looks great by the way!

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Thank you for the compliment! Knowledge is only good if you are able to share it! Il hopefully have some more pics up today of the finished roof assembly, fingers crossed.

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Here's the update on the roof. It took approximately 6 pieces, but it looks pretty good
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/2165007f.jpg
In this pic, I've just finished soldering hence the clips
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/08b679e7.jpg
And here it is beside the buck

It's going to take much time to file and smooth, but I'm hopeful the end result will be worth it