IH 350B Payhauler Truck
 

Finally posting pictures of a project in-process. I have two, this truck in 1:14 scale and a Komatsu D65EX-15 dozer in 1:10 scale. The truck is going faster because I don't have to build an entire undercarriage. This truck is unique cause it is 4-wheel drive, rigid frame, 50-ton, with dual tires all around. I've finished rear axle area and am working on the cab. Front axle is next.
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...r350Cimage.jpg
The 1:1 Truck -actually a Payhauler Corp 350C, but close enough.
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...FrameRails.jpg
Front frame is dropped and narrowed. Aluminum "soldered" the modified channel to shape.
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...rossmember.jpg
Rear cross-member
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...FrameAxles.jpg
Frame and axle layout
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ydCylMount.jpg
Rear spring bracket & hydraulic cylinder mount
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...rAxleBrkts.jpg
Rear frame with spring brackets
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...inOverload.jpg
Rear springs -main and helpers

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I was looking for this ;) looks great so for , Ken

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IH Steve and I have talked about these trucks too. I'm slowly getting ready to convert two of the old 1960's 1/16th scale ESKA Ertl Payhauler 65 trucks. These will be 2wd like the original with locking rears to help traction. I'll be machining a whole frame to keep from ruining the originals since these trucks seem to be far and few.
Did you buy a 1/25th plastic model to get your details? First Gear made some diecast versions of these in 1/25th scale a couple years ago.

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I appreciate the kind words. Here are more pics.
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ifications.jpg
I modified RC Channel axles - because I had them and they are metal. Turned the bolt bosses off and made the housing a snug fit inside a brass tube so I could make square housing and have mounting holes like the 1:1.
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ydCylMount.jpg
Rear axle & hydraulic cylinder mount.
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...xleSprings.jpg
Rear axle and spring mounting. Still need to add shocks.
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...FirstWheel.jpg
The first wheel. Wheels create a lot of swarf! Will look a lot better when the hub covers get made, with all the lugs, studs and washers - and the IH emblem in the middle.
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...haft-Parts.jpg
This is the trans pinion bearing block I made, since the motor will be remote mounted under the hood.
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...inionShaft.jpg
The transmission motor mount removed, case lowered, bearing block installed and ready for the driveshaft from the motor. 3-spd trans shaft modified for 4-wheel drive.
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...rDriveline.jpg
Here is the rear driveline with first set of dual tires mounted. They are RC4WD Rock Crusher II's.

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Details come from several places: Yes, I have an unassembled AMT 1/25 model to reference, plus original IH Shop and Parts manuals and Sales literature, and 40 years' experience as an technical trainer for a dealership. I "grew up" with these trucks and have many pictures I took, plus ones from on-line sources, and my memory (though it gets a bit fuzzy sometimes!) The PH65, 95 & 100 trucks were common in quarries around KY and IN. Didn't I see an RC conversion at the Indy meet two years ago? I think Rick had it on his display.

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Love all those scratch built different models, remember this when buildning the AMT version in the 80th´s. Will looking forward to see this build, guess you will need a real strong servo for the steering, a lot of weight on front axle.

http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/...Hdumper023.jpg

Dan

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You're right about the servo. Have a metal-geared one in mind - we'll if it has enough butt for the job when I get that far. I really like your AMT model and trailer rig, reminds me when I built my first 350B plastic model about the same time as yours.

Ken

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Great build you have going. i was eyeing this one as build myself. I like what you done with trans. keep them pics coming

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Man, you're making my gears turn in my head!! I need to find some time soon to start my build. It looks like you're going straight to the wheels without anymore reduction. I'm thinking of using a floating axle with a planetary setup out on the ends.
How much spring is in your leafs? Was watching one of my videos loading Brian's tri-axle and when advancing frames I noticed after every bucket full from my drag ,his truck sunk a little more.

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Nice work Ken you are doing a fantastic job.

Travis

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No further reduction beyond the diff, but do have 3:1 reduction at the motor. Using an 85T motor - 5200 RPM at 7.4V. Calculated wheel speed based on prototype max speed of 40 MPH, with my trans in 3rd gear. Since my motor turns twice the speed of the diesel, should be very close across entire speed range, since real truck has 6-spd trans. Springs are 0.028 spring steel with same number and width of leafs as real one: 9 main & 16 helper. Spring rate has not been measured. Also, shocks will have heavy coils in them. Estimated payload is 50 pounds based on dry sand and bed volume. Should not get on helpers until about 15 lbs in bed?!?! Springs on real truck are almost flat and scale at 0.048" thick but I thought that would be too stiff for the model.

A lot of "swag" in these calculations, so we'll just have to see how it all comes out.

Ken

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This is a cool build ! I love the attention to detail.

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Very nice start to a greatbuild! This should be fun to follow.

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Well ken, it' about time you showed us some of your craftsmanship. Very nice work and where the dozer be?

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I was digging through some of my... "Childhood toys" today and came across this Ertl model. I'm not sure that it is the same as what you're building but it reminded me of your project.

Reg

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Reg, looks like you've been playing a lot with the little Payhauler!:p I have 4 of those in my collection, plus several more my boys played with as kids (now are 32 & 29). Also have some Hough 560 loaders to go with them. It's amazing what we hang on to, then re-discover later and have such good memories with them.

Travelling this week, so may get some time to work on the cab and hood of my truck.

Ken

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I was goofing around on Youtube this morning and ran across this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGmVD...eature=channel
Has a Payhauler in action towards the end.

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Jared, thanks for the reference. Haven't found too many videos of these trucks working - would really like to see one in a slurry pond or some other soft material where the 4-wheel drive gets a good workout.

Ken

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This dump trk build really appeals my interest! It'd be a perfect addition for my fleet. :cool:

When you get it built Ken I can put it to work right away! :D

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Hey Joe, are your ramp's wide enough for that monster?:eek::p:D
Cheer's, Neil.

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Awesome project! And I thought the 1/25 models were impressive. This is an amazing build. (as are so many on this forum) You certainly have the credentials and research down. Dan

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I'm loving this build! If only for the simple fact that I had the 1/64 scale Ertl diecast model as a kid too, and I know it's around here somewhere still. Plus I've always been an IH fan too. This truck really is unique in a sea of large dump trucks. It just as a neat look about it, and though I don't know these trucks inside and out, I think you are doing a great job of replicating it in scale! Your frame, axles, and spring packs look awesome. This thing is going to look excellent as a finished model. I can't wait to see it all finished up.

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It has been a long time since last post but I do now have two new grandsons that I'm working at spoiling and having a great time with.
Pics show the work done over past couple of months. The transmission shift servo is inside the rightside fuel tank. Next step is to finish
mounting front axle to springs and install front driveline.

Milling Fuel Tank Mounts http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6f96df30.jpg
Fuel Tanks and Mounts http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps07399690.jpg
Parallel Front Springs http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps26c94342.jpg
Front Springs and Hangers http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb98fce57.jpg
Dual Front Wheel - backside http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...rontWheel1.jpg
Front Axle with Wheels http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb9168956.jpg
Chassis - Side http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...pse0d2c20c.jpg
Chassis - Top http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...psa943a36a.jpg
Cab and Chassis http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...pscb0dadb3.jpg
Cab Railings and Mirror Mount http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...yChassisRF.jpg

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Ken, the updates are looking great! I was hoping this project didn't get lost. Wow, that chassis looks really scale, and perfect. The cab is well on it's way too. You are very talented with the mill and lathe! I love watching scratchbuilds like this take shape. Please keep the updates coming.

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Woohoo! I was wondering what was happening with this! Great job! I'm so happy to see some updates.

Where did you get the material for your leafs? I'm not sure what to use on my 850 build. I used bundle strapping on my Euc but it is so thin that it would take about 30 lefs to get the thickness right. Yours look bang on for the real deal!

Reg

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Dayum that's looking good! Great to see you working at it again. :cool:

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RCP57, the rear leaves are from banding material. Yes, individual leafs are not scale thickness - I made the total stack height correct by using a thicker spacer between mains and helpers. The fronts are a combination of banding material (the two longest leaves) and pieces from Tamiya truck springs that I separated and cut to length. Some leaves were straightened out - unrolled the eyes - to get the needed length. I'll have to wait on the final configuration, though. If the springs are too light when loaded, I'll be adding coils inside the shocks to assist. Worst case, I'll add additional leaves to up the spring rate.

Ken

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Great! I like this!

kerst

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Wow you did a lot nicer job of the banding material than I did! I would have never guessed that parts of your springs were made of that. Maybe I will just use that in my KW then. I have a pile of it saved up so the price is right;).

Thanks for the info!

Reg

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great job Ken , I got the 1:25 1 from 1st gear for christmas along with the 433 payscraper .

Reg , not sure (proby not ) if you can order through McMaster :confused: but I got a coil of spring material there . recoil spring from old lawn mowers will work too .

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I don't know if this is use full, but this is where I get the spring material for model locomotive leaf springs. Comes in 24" in lengths and is already annealed. Just have form you radius and temper it. Available from .006 to .125 thickness by various widths.
Rob

http://shop.ajreeves.com/spring-steel-165-c.asp

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Interesting guys. I may have a couple of dead lawn mowers somewhere(hoarder) so I'll take a look at that option before I buy anything.

Reg

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Amazing looking build!!! Looks like it's going to be a beast!

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Hi Ken,

Looks great so far. How much will it weigh when it is completed? Do these axles have limits? Colin

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Any updates Ken?

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I finally have some updates. Finished the front axle assembly and got it installed. I did a much better job on the upper and lower housing plates compared to the rear ones. Experience does help! Anyway, now I feel I'll have to redo the rear ones, since they are move visible.
Axle & Springs http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps542c0ec4.jpg
Front Axle Assembly http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps13808e00.jpg
Front Axle Installed http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...psbfe102a5.jpg
Front Axle http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf75cb50d.jpg

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More updates. I had a General Discussion item asking about Steering Servo Interference from the Drive Motor. With help from our great forum tech gurus, I installed a couple of Ferrite Core Chokes on the servo lead and it solved the problem. The truck easily carries 35 pounds (barbell weights) and performs well. Yes, I know I owe everyone a video - hopefully soon. I have never posted a video before, so I'll have to learn how to do that. Anyway, here are the update pics.
Chassis & Steering http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb7808388.jpg
Motor 3:1 Reduction, Steering & Front Axle http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps318de6a9.jpg
Cab Hinge http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps0eb12f22.jpg
Tilting Cab http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps50ac5c33.jpg
Electronics & Battery http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps4ad377b3.jpg
Ferrite Chokes http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...psaade6009.jpg

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Updates on steering system.
Steering bellcrank http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps349d9452.jpg
Steering Linkage http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb42cbfaa.jpg
Driveline & Steering - Cab down http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps1c5a6374.jpg