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der82c 01-22-2014 11:45 PM

1/14 Komatsu PC200 build
 
Hi guys,
I am Derrick, friend of Izzul. Previously, together we built the "1/10 Komatsu PC650" and were posted on this forum at:
http://www.rctruckandconstruction.co...VATOR+MALAYSIA

the cost to built the 1/10 is expensive and to travel the huge excavator is killing. some of the local rc fans had requested a smaller, budget-able and less-power version, the "1/14 Komatsu PC200"

And the story goes on again...

der82c 01-22-2014 11:48 PM

1/14 Komatsu PC200 build
 
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start of with a small cute die-cast for the critical dimension and feature.

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der82c 01-22-2014 11:51 PM

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then every night on screen for CAD drawing...

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der82c 01-23-2014 12:01 AM

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and many more nights...

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der82c 01-23-2014 12:07 AM

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MOre and MOre sleepless nights...

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der82c 01-23-2014 03:38 AM

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Not to forget those standard parts

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ooh, but the control valve is not from standard part, its custom made

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der82c 01-23-2014 03:52 AM

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the fabrication of sheet metal

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der82c 01-23-2014 04:04 AM

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mild steel arm and boom, sus bucket
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Lil Giants 01-23-2014 04:13 AM

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Great idea putting the swing motor in the cab area, all too often a wasted area by other model companies. ;)

Steel fabrication is becoming more popular all the time & so much simpler to form & weld than aluminum... not to mention the weight advantage that these models are always lacking.

The last pic of the press, is it a place where you work daily? Are you a metal worker by trade?

der82c 01-23-2014 10:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil Giants (Post 102497)
Great idea putting the swing motor in the cab area, all too often a wasted area by other model companies. ;)

Steel fabrication is becoming more popular all the time & so much simpler to form & weld than aluminum... not to mention the weight advantage that these models are always lacking.

The last pic of the press, is it a place where you work daily? Are you a metal worker by trade?

the swing motor, i intend to put it vertically instead of horizontal cause its a PC200 body, its relatively small size excavator. not much space left, cabin area is the only chance.
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aluminum is light weight but don't have the strength, need up to thickness 3mm to nearly equal the strength of 1m steel. while my welder always quit worry on welding aluminum, tricky skill needed. while steel is less costly, but the rusting problem. epoxy powder coat will solve it.

i am a CAD drafter in a sheet metal fabrication factory. so it was easy for me to done all those metal stuff. i do the drawing, while my guy do all the bending, welding, drilling and etc. they are experience and skillful worker, but sometimes they got me boil up my head when they create rejected parts.

JAMMER 01-23-2014 02:28 PM

Re: 1/14 Komatsu PC200 build
 
Very nice job. I really like the size of your excavator and the power. Ed

doodlebug 01-24-2014 12:55 AM

Re: 1/14 Komatsu PC200 build
 
I'm interested to see how your custom valves turnout!
Cheers, Neil.

der82c 01-24-2014 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by doodlebug (Post 102578)
I'm interested to see how your custom valves turnout!
Cheers, Neil.

hi Neil,
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look familiar, isn't? No, is not the one you think. still it is a same old spool-valve but internally i redesign the whole thing for better seal to prevent over-flowing, improving the fluid route and adapt for bigger size connector and hose. ease of attaching extra flange if needed

Lil Giants 01-24-2014 06:50 AM

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Yes, looks very familiar ;)... so what size ID hose will you be using?

der82c 01-24-2014 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lil Giants (Post 102591)
Yes, looks very familiar ;)... so what size ID hose will you be using?

for this model will be using ID 2mm dia. hose. in the future, for bigger model will try for ID 4mm dia.
i won't stop, will push those pumps and valve to the limit. oooh yeah!!!

der82c 01-24-2014 11:42 AM

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ready to send for epoxy powder coat.
3 sets, as per request will be a black and white excavator. what?!
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notice that, don't have any cabin cover parts in the pic, more story coming in.

der82c 01-24-2014 11:57 AM

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it's my first 3d-print out experience. it took me 7hrs just for waiting on this front-cabin cover done printed out. i still have to do the rear counter-weight cover and engine cover. how many long hours it is going take anymore?
No, i put aside this 3d-print for awhile, i need to install those metal parts now and have the system running, on priority.
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Azonic 01-25-2014 04:36 AM

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Very nice work!

der82c 01-25-2014 10:27 AM

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got those sheet metal parts back from powder coat
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so does partial of those machining parts. while my factory will have the tools and machine to do all those sheet metal but do not have the facilities to machine these parts. luckily i can always get help from next door. the cnc machining workshop is just next to my work place.
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i lay out all the parts i got today, it's look like a complete set but no, still some critical parts the machining shop owe me.
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oh well, chinese new year is just few days away. all works at metal shop is shutting down. i need to get prepare for the festive. i think i will just put on-hold for 10 days holiday.

der82c 01-25-2014 10:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thuangs (Post 102630)
Derrick, very nice work! :bounce:Thanks for sharing. With experience on 650, this one is even better. Looking forward to seeing this in action.

Wishing you a very happy CNY! :)
Kevin

hey Kevin!
how are you? how is the progress of your excavator?
it will be slightly ease for me on this model since all the pain i got from the PC650. tell you a secret, we nearly gave up that time, problem keep occur one by one, sleepless night thinking of solution. lack of experience. but still there a challenge for this model as it's a PC200 which i had to squeeze in all the system in to its small compartment.
how about this way, Kevin. i try my best to finish this a.s.a.p in order to bring this model to SG, to play along with yours. how is that? by that time you must too able to finish yours , ok?

Happy Chinese New Year! to you too. wishing you have a prosperous yearS

der82c 01-27-2014 11:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thuangs (Post 102745)
Hi Derrick,

Mine is a combination of high and low technology...starting from high end laser cut, precision CNC...all the way to handmade gearbox. All these processes are not consistent...resulted in variances like very noisy when it runs..all are powered by Lepard 4082 brushless motors. Not sure if you know about this motor, it was used for 1/5 car, just one will push speed up to 60 miles and I have 4 plus one giant motor in my excavator. It becomes super complex...I didn't use any gear reduction motor. I was a wrong decision I guess.

This is my first build...want to learn some experience for next one. Yours is much better than mine...it looks perfect. My supid excavator weights 50kg now after adding 5mm thickness SS304 boom. I have hard time to move this thing from living room to my little work shop...will see how it goes.

Let's keep in touch! and wishing you a very happy New Year!!
Kevin

http://www.rctruckandconstruction.co...1&d=1390704039

Kevin, what is your cylinder bore size and the flow rate of your pump?
my 650 boom is from 1.5mm thickness, is more than enough to lift a child. as long as its had the right structure.
i know how u felt, its not a fun thing to do, moving the heavy machine around. i will have second thought now, if friends ask to bring it out for a play.

der82c 01-28-2014 02:33 AM

1/14 Komatsu PC200 build
 
the machinist really keep his word, finish up all the parts before the holiday.
tempting to install it during the CNY holiday. sure will get nagging from my mom and gf, almost spend most of the time on the excavator even during festive holiday.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psaf68bcfd.jpg
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just in time send for black anodise.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psf4818f16.jpg

der82c 01-28-2014 02:34 AM

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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps2de457f7.jpg

der82c 01-28-2014 02:36 AM

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closer and bigger look onto the 3d print cab
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psca33dc21.jpg

izzzul 01-31-2014 08:01 PM

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Hi guys, here some first few videos we took for this recent build...yet to fine-tune quite a few things over here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNMVG6dgWko

And this is the pic comparison between previous build PC650 (1/10 scale) and PC200 (1/14 scale)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Py24tZRJdz...86235554_n.jpg
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Lil Giants 01-31-2014 08:09 PM

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WOW! how did you get that monster 650 up on that bench?! :eek:

izzzul 01-31-2014 09:07 PM

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..ermmmm..Joe, we had to use hyd jack trolley here...then crawl fwd.. :)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VCbo3yWu5M...0/DSC_1805.jpg

Here is vid for my whole build fleet in action...(Excav, Dump Truck, Tipper, and Tipper Trailer) in action in some official event back here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fg0QJotx50
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-96IY4j03nG...0/DSC_3586.jpg
Refer below for more video, highlights, and PC200 Build progress: http://my-rc-page.blogspot.com/

der82c 02-02-2014 02:02 AM

1/14 Komatsu PC200 build
 
one of 3 sets, been color yellow and other 2 still in white.

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der82c 02-02-2014 02:07 AM

1/14 Komatsu PC200 build
 
the cyclinder yet to be paint, but eager to install it.

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torarne81 02-02-2014 06:10 PM

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Nice build :)

Lil Giants 02-03-2014 03:00 AM

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So what closet are you building this beast in so your mom & gf don't catch you working during the holidays? :lol: :p

der82c 02-04-2014 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by oztruck (Post 103432)
When will you be selling the kit?

Chris

Yes Chris, i be selling the complete set. but not now, i need to finalize and test everything before i could release it.

der82c 02-04-2014 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Lil Giants (Post 103433)
So what closet are you building this beast in so your mom & gf don't catch you working during the holidays? :lol: :p

ooh, i got no closet that big. but i sneak into the working room at midnight where everyone sound asleep. but i have to gave a damm good explanation why i got the dark circles under the eyes.
i just can't left the parts lying around un-assemble, too tempting.

der82c 02-04-2014 02:22 AM

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more close up pic
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der82c 02-04-2014 02:27 AM

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fuuh!, just in time for the 1st run test before the holiday end

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attach to the tester pump to check those joint, movement and joints if its working fine.

der82c 02-04-2014 03:02 AM

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http://youtu.be/UV_8CI6jwfQ

testing on 8 bar, normal speed pump. will tray for 10 bar in later days

Lil Giants 02-04-2014 10:02 PM

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Not bad for only 8bar.

What's the weight of the model?

der82c 02-05-2014 09:01 AM

Re: 1/14 Komatsu PC200 build
 
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Originally Posted by thuangs (Post 102931)
wow, looking great! my cylinder bore size: external 22mm, internal 12mm, all made with steel. I've not gotten time to measure flow rate from pump yet since it was customized...

you were right...I need to buy a hydraulic trolley to move this heavy excavator.

hi kevin,
from the dimension you gave, i assume its a 20mm dia bore cyclinder, which same as mine. i am using this for the 650:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psc3622cfc.jpg
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its an industrial pump. the flow rate for the pump its 0.2cc/rev and 0.1cc/rev. directly couple to a outer-run. it able to perform smoothly.
what do u think kevin? i can sell this to you as used parts for RM600 a pump attached together with outer-run as a set.

[while i just got a smaller pump, believe to be lower flow rate but able to deliver enough bar, run smaller motor for better energy efficient, but yet to full test it.]

FlyingBeagle 02-05-2014 06:54 PM

Re: 1/14 Komatsu PC200 build
 
I just spent some time looking through your blog and you have several very impressive builds. This excavator looks to be a top notch build as well. I have a couple of questions. I noticed in your dump trucks that you use the UMS hydraulic pump and valves. How are those holding up for you. I have heard mixed reviews, but have not heard anything lately about the durability of the UMS parts. What type of pump and valves do you plan to use on this excavator?


Thanks

der82c 02-06-2014 03:27 AM

Re: 1/14 Komatsu PC200 build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingBeagle (Post 103621)
I just spent some time looking through your blog and you have several very impressive builds. This excavator looks to be a top notch build as well. I have a couple of questions. I noticed in your dump trucks that you use the UMS hydraulic pump and valves. How are those holding up for you. I have heard mixed reviews, but have not heard anything lately about the durability of the UMS parts. What type of pump and valves do you plan to use on this excavator?


Thanks

the dump truck, i didn't post to this forum yet.
yes, i m using the UMS pump and valves for the dump truck project. the UMS did come with the "pressure over-loading cut off board" instead of regulator.
yup, no regulator.
when the cylinder extend to the max, pressure from the pump keep gaining while there no regulator to route the extra pressure back to tank. now where the "pressure over-loading cut off board" come in working with delay of 3 second to cut off.
about the valve, i had to change a better quality O-ring. as my 1st test, leakage from the valve, so does to the 2nd and 3rd set. i guess, the default O-ring is not the good quality type.
the pump, the sound of the motor is quit high pitch due to its brushless motor. therefore, its gain flow rate instantly. pressure as real as its stated max 10 bar, more than that, i have not yet to push it.


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