Criticizing peoples builds

[Animal]

I reread you're reply, and I was referring to the fact that he asked about the instructions not indicating a way to modify the system so fenders could be used, not removed. You're second reply included a scan from the instructions, but again this indicates only that the fenders have to be removed. I believe his comment, that it should indicate this issue on the box, was if it had he may not have bought it. I relate this to a computer game I bought not to long ago. No where on the box did it state that I would have to create an account on a host site to install and play it, if it had I would not have bought it. I'm planning to get a Grand hauler myself, and I would have been pissed if I open the box to find one of my favorite features of it can't be used. Fortunately I'm already using the SS-Tronix system in my globe and don't need the stock mechanism for the legs. Many people have had issues with the system for the legs most commonly I think would be that it sticks or gets jammed at times, and that you have to lineup straight on for it to work, yet it's been unchanged for how many years now and no one gave those people a hard time about reading the instructions. My suggestion for replying to threads in which people voice their opinions about an item is maybe something like "I see your point, and I'll pass that on to the designers so they can work on a way to possibly remedy it". My main reason for mentioning it in the earlier post was that he posted a tread to express his feelings about a product, not a person. Yet a few people jumped on him for it. Would you blame him if he never posted on this forum again. We should be here to support each other. As I said before I love Tamiya, but even I at times as I'm building a kit, think "What were they thinking". Ask me about the new Honda City Turbo (Willy's Wheeler rerelease)some time.

[fhhhstix]

Originally Posted by Animal

I reread you're reply, and I was referring to the fact that he asked about the instructions not indicating a way to modify the system so fenders could be used, not removed. You're second reply included a scan from the instructions, but again this indicates only that the fenders have to be removed. I believe his comment, that it should indicate this issue on the box, was if it had he may not have bought it. I relate this to a computer game I bought not to long ago. No where on the box did it state that I would have to create an account on a host site to install and play it, if it had I would not have bought it. I'm planning to get a Grand hauler myself, and I would have been pissed if I open the box to find one of my favorite features of it can't be used. Fortunately I'm already using the SS-Tronix system in my globe and don't need the stock mechanism for the legs. Many people have had issues with the system for the legs most commonly I think would be that it sticks or gets jammed at times, and that you have to lineup straight on for it to work, yet it's been unchanged for how many years now and no one gave those people a hard time about reading the instructions. My suggestion for replying to threads in which people voice their opinions about an item is maybe something like "I see your point, and I'll pass that on to the designers so they can work on a way to possibly remedy it". My main reason for mentioning it in the earlier post was that he posted a tread to express his feelings about a product, not a person. Yet a few people jumped on him for it. Would you blame him if he never posted on this forum again. We should be here to support each other. As I said before I love Tamiya, but even I at times as I'm building a kit, think "What were they thinking". Ask me about the new Honda City Turbo (Willy's Wheeler rerelease)some time.

Originally Posted by Navyvet

Almost twenty year's ago I built the King Hauler. I figured after that many year's since my last Semi build, that Tamiya would still be awesome.
If you ask me, IMO, I think they might be dropping the ball a little.
The King Hauler had very few part's that required glue, and after it was done everything seemed to work like it should.
I built the Grand Hauler and posted my pic's. I don't recall having to use so much glue. If they are going to have hop ups like motorized legs and such, why not make sure that it work's without messing up my aluminum fender's?
At least state in the directions how to modify the build so a feller can use the part's that made him want the model in the first place.
The MCU-01 is really nice with all the sound's and gizmo's, but why make it so fragile that it cannot handle 5-10 even thirty more low volt led's? When you consider the cost of the MCU-01,it seems to me you could at least use the interior that come's with the $300 - $400 kit.
So far, the only thing I am impressed with with the Grand Hauler is the large metal stack's...that being said, the King Hauler is still King.
As far as the reefer trailer, don't even get me started on the plastic side's...
Wedico may very well be my next truck.

Joe did point out that the directions do state that the fenders will not work with the support legs and showed where in the directions. His aluminum fenders were not part of the kit. If he still wants to use the fenders then raise the fifth wheel and add thicker pads to the bottom of the support legs to match. The whole point is here if you add a modification don’t complain because it does not work ask for suggestions on how to make the aftermarket parts work with the stock kit. There was no misleading here if you follow the directions and keep it stock the parts will work together.

[janderson]

Originally Posted by Animal

I reread you're reply, and I was referring to the fact that he asked about the instructions not indicating a way to modify the system so fenders could be used, not removed. You're second reply included a scan from the instructions, but again this indicates only that the fenders have to be removed. I believe his comment, that it should indicate this issue on the box, was if it had he may not have bought it. I relate this to a computer game I bought not to long ago. No where on the box did it state that I would have to create an account on a host site to install and play it, if it had I would not have bought it. I'm planning to get a Grand hauler myself, and I would have been pissed if I open the box to find one of my favorite features of it can't be used. Fortunately I'm already using the SS-Tronix system in my globe and don't need the stock mechanism for the legs. Many people have had issues with the system for the legs most commonly I think would be that it sticks or gets jammed at times, and that you have to lineup straight on for it to work, yet it's been unchanged for how many years now and no one gave those people a hard time about reading the instructions. My suggestion for replying to threads in which people voice their opinions about an item is maybe something like "I see your point, and I'll pass that on to the designers so they can work on a way to possibly remedy it". My main reason for mentioning it in the earlier post was that he posted a tread to express his feelings about a product, not a person. Yet a few people jumped on him for it. Would you blame him if he never posted on this forum again. We should be here to support each other. As I said before I love Tamiya, but even I at times as I'm building a kit, think "What were they thinking". Ask me about the new Honda City Turbo (Willy's Wheeler rerelease)some time.

I am not going to get into a back and forth debate on this. I will leave it at this.

Product works as designed, legs are an option not mandatory. If you us the legs the manual clearly states you need to remove the fenders. Can you still use the fenders and legs? Yes there are ways to modify them, but we will not show you how as that is not a factory way it is done and it can very per options you use so the manual could end up being hundreds of pages long. That is why the internet and experienced builders here.

Could that have been put on box, yes so could the other hundreds of things we could find useful. I can tell you this, the manual was available online in PDF form a month before the truck box was available to be seen in person, I made sure the manual I was using for my build was scanned right away.

"What were they thinking", that can be said about a lot of things. When I build or look at some of our products, say to my self "I wonder why thy did that, I would have.." that is when I put my spin on things and do it my way. http://www.tamiyausa.com/ecorner/joe.php I kind of think this whole site and most of the hobby is this way. How many builds do you see that are stock down to the paint colors called out in the manual. I could go on and on...

I stated the facts, I never said they were on the box. I said where they were and took the time to document it for other users. If you care to browse our radio control tech tips, you will see that I spend alot of time building our product, modifying them to my taste and trying to help others. My goal is to help and have fun trading inspirations with you all. http://www.tamiyausa.com/articles/ar...sting.php?id=7

None of this is my job to do, I do it for the love of the hobby. I get pleasure sharing my work and when someone walks up to me at shows and says "I read your build article on X, and wanted to say thanks it really helped me".

I have run many forums like this on my own dime to promote the hobby and create a great resource for users and know the pains to keep the peace with different personalities, I know what the mods and admin go through. We should thank them for what they do to keep this a clean fun place to hang and share.

I apologize as I went way to long here.

Peace out,

Joe

[Animal]

I am hoping this is the last time I have to DEFEND myself for sharing my feelings. My problem was not so much with Joe, but with the others that chimed in with nothing productive or helpful to say. By that I'm referring to the statements that kept repeating the same thing "Read the instructions". those people are the ones I'm talking about. As I said in my original post, I would have posted a reply there with the same support and hopefully helpful advice that I sent him in a personal message. Now I'm getting the same thing people spouting off at me about reading the instructions.

Joe, I'm sorry If you felt like I was attacking you personally. That was not my intent ether. I have a lot of respect for you and all the people working to keep this form a fun and happy place. I also understand that not all the information can be put on the Box.

P.S. I am a little jealous though, I would love to work for Tamiya.