Hoarder Special!

[RCP57]

OK guys, over the last few months I have been slowly collecting(hoarding) enough parts to build another Tamiya chassis(or two:D). Some of the parts I have purchased second hand or traded for, and some have been given to me by fellow members(THANK YOU!). I assembled said parts a while back but really hadn't decided what I wanted to build until yesterday. Anyhow, I am going to try my luck at building another Canadian Kenworth. This one will be the late 50's early 60's vintage similar to a 925 but most likely with the heavy duty flat top steal fenders because it is modeled after the off highway versions. As per my usual the body will be all hand fabricated and TIG welded aluminum. Here's what I accomplished this afternoon/evening(not much lol). :popcorn:

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5092_zpsvfmp1rnj.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5092_zpsvfmp1rnj.jpg.html)
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http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5095_zpsdzkcvpbb.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5095_zpsdzkcvpbb.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5096_zpsqeuaj7gu.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5096_zpsqeuaj7gu.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5097_zpsfunbt2ow.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5097_zpsfunbt2ow.jpg.html)

Thanks for looking!

[egronvold]

My guess on how it will turn out::jaw:

Looking forward to follow the build.

[Mikem]

My guess it will be another stunning build . I also see more roads coming or a traffic jam . Mike

[JohnStilwell]

Yup, another Reg masterpiece!!

[Bo Wallen]

Great Reg. I am watching this build for sure. :cool:

[RCP57]

Thanks guys. Today's update... The cab is made up of 5 pieces total but is now all blobbed together. I see myself doing a little more filling and filing before I call it good but it's going in the right direction. It was definitely a challenge to get the roof shape close to correct. I don't think it's bang on or anything but I also don't have a 1:1 close by to compare. Hopefully it is good enough to make people realize what I was going for.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5098_zpss2idvpsp.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5098_zpss2idvpsp.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5099_zps7wqj6ju7.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5099_zps7wqj6ju7.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5100_zps9ebfoijk.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5100_zps9ebfoijk.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5101_zpswuy4akfx.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5101_zpswuy4akfx.jpg.html)
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http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5109_zps244yldio.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5109_zps244yldio.jpg.html)

[FabOne]

Reg-

This is AWESOME! Keep us All updated as you go along. I'm interested in this one.

It would look great pulling DieselKids round dump in the background.

Terry

[JDH429]

That is sick Reg! Can't wait to see more. How do you cut the windows out so neatly? Keep it up.

[bigford]

reg
your metal working skills are truly a work of art!!

[1strodeo]

That is seriously impressive!!!

[flatdeck]

Great work Reg.


Wayne

[spudd]

your aluminum work is impressive. You are a true craftsman

[Stuart]

Awesome work as usual Reg!

[RCP57]

Thanks very much guys. I haven't decided what type of fenders and hood to make. I will have to think about it a little more before I make more progress.

Reg-

This is AWESOME! Keep us All updated as you go along. I'm interested in this one.

It would look great pulling DieselKids round dump in the background.

Terry

I hope to have Alex's trailer done long before this truck Terry, but I do think it would look great towing it!

That is sick Reg! Can't wait to see more. How do you cut the windows out so neatly? Keep it up.

Thanks Jason, I use a scroll saw but only to cut the windows close to shape. The final finish is done with some careful filing using different shaped files.

Reg

[JDH429]

Cool, Amazing work! I always wanted a scroll saw, sounds like the right tool for the job. Looking forward to seeing whats next with this build.

[RCP57]

Cool, Amazing work! I always wanted a scroll saw, sounds like the right tool for the job. Looking forward to seeing whats next with this build.

It's not really the best tool for the job as it gets "stuck" often and starts bouncing the part around like a jack hammer. A little grease on the blade helps with the sticking but adds a mess you have to clean off before welding. I don't have any cnc equipment so it does the job for now and it only cost $40 at a swapmeet.

[fhhhstix]

It's not really the best tool for the job as it gets "stuck" often and starts bouncing the part around like a jack hammer. A little grease on the blade helps with the sticking but adds a mess you have to clean off before welding. I don't have any cnc equipment so it does the job for now and it only cost $40 at a swapmeet.

Try bee's wax it works good and is not that messy.

Travis

[TRUCKMAKER]

Another great build reg! I'll be watching. I would definitely try the bee's wax, Travis got me on it after I was ready to throw one of my saws out because it wouldn't cut aluminum worth a crap, now it works great!

[RCP57]

That's a great idea guys, thanks:). I use reagent alcohol for machining, threading and occasionally for cutting but it washes off ink and I am only tracing the window openings on with a Sharpie. No ink, no idea where to cut!lol It will be interesting to see if bee's wax contaminates the welds or if it burns off:confused:. That is one thing very nice about using alcohol. It just evaporates in no time at all and leaves no residue. When I use grease I have to wash the parts before welding. I guess there is the perfect lube for every sticky situation...

[RCP57]

Well I played hooky from customer jobs today and took a shop day for myself. I have been wanting to work on Scrappy( my nickname for this truck since it's chassis is a pile of hoarded spare parts) for a few days but just haven't had the time. I figured today was Sunday and my shop is my church so here's what I got into.

I started out by making a front bumper and mount.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5167_zpsz16tqzju.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5167_zpsz16tqzju.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5170_zpsox0hoodz.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5170_zpsox0hoodz.jpg.html)

The front of the cab was too wide and the space between the windows too large. I hummed and hawed about cutting the cab or living with it but in the end sad the "F" word followed by "it" and chucked it in the saw. I split it down the middle and carefully removed about 1/8".

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5171_zpsx71vus9m.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5171_zpsx71vus9m.jpg.html)

I then stitched it back up.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5172_zps4welnyem.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5172_zps4welnyem.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5173_zps8drmdpbw.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5173_zps8drmdpbw.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5174_zpsw5wymv5w.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5174_zpsw5wymv5w.jpg.html)

Once I was happy enough with that I got back on with what I had intended to accomplish which was welding up the bumper and fenders.

Here's one fender welded up and the other still in pieces.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5175_zps09xataph.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5175_zps09xataph.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5176_zpszwiqajex.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5176_zpszwiqajex.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5177_zps0tzsji0u.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5177_zps0tzsji0u.jpg.html)

This took some time and patience but they turned out OK.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5178_zpsozajpwsm.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5178_zpsozajpwsm.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5179_zpscq8bjmnj.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5179_zpscq8bjmnj.jpg.html)

Once they were welded up I could figure out roughly where they needed to be placed. I made some adjustments and welded on the mounts. It's starting to look like a truck now!:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w2C7EG1iRY

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5180_zpssercxj9a.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5180_zpssercxj9a.jpg.html)
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[RCKiwi]

Absolutely mad skills you have with that welder! I'm intrigued with that motor/gearbox setup - any more pictures of that small conversion?

Glenn

[RCP57]

Thanks. The roof was/is a little tricky and I'm not sure I have enough "dome" in it but it will do. I don't know who did the trans for sure(Heavy Duty maybe) as I got it in a trade. It has the motor swapped on backwards with a small reduction added using a jack-shaft. After some careful filing of the mounts it runs smooth and has reasonable speed using a 55 turn motor. It would be nice if it were slower but it seems to run about the same speed as my KH using a stock trans and 85 turn motor only it has a lot of power. The KH with 85T is horribly gutless.

Reg

[bigford]

i swapped out my rc4wd 80t for a 65t for that reason no power
i wish i could work metal like you do reg!!!!

[RCP57]

I've been going crazy in my shop the last week or two. Lots on the ta-do list and I'm feeling it:D:cool:. I don't really know why it happens but when it does I get excited and have a hard time stepping out of the shop. My blood pressure also goes through the roof and I forget to sleep.LOL Anyway, in between working on several customer projects and a spec build(pup trailer) I have been adding some details to "Scrappy". I think the cab is ready for some primer now but it will stay like this until the whole truck is finished. I like to look at them in all their "aluminum glory" before I cover up my handy work with paint... I know, I'm weird. I live with it...

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5201_zpsp8ayk6rr.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5201_zpsp8ayk6rr.jpg.html)
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Reg

[thebigo]

Very nice reg, admire your skill, thanks for the pictures and sharing your knowledge.
David

[Papabaer]

looks verry well - awesome

[JLK53]

I'm new to RC construction and found your YouTube site and enjoy your postings. You are a true craftsman and an artist. If it doesn't give away to many secrets, what is your welding setup? I am in awe of your work.

[RCP57]

Thanks very much guys. I'm happy to share what little knowledge I have. I am afraid I am no expert and just learn as I go so my knowledge is limited. My welding setup is no secret either, it's just a Lincoln Precision 225 TIG. It came with a lame instructional video and boat load of patience.:rolleyes::D

[JDH429]

Thanks very much guys. I'm happy to share what little knowledge I have. I am afraid I am no expert and just learn as I go so my knowledge is limited. My welding setup is no secret either, it's just a Lincoln Precision 225 TIG. It came with a lame instructional video and boat load of patience.:rolleyes::D

Gotta love the modesty, I think without you realizing it you became an expert, with plenty of knowledge sir.;)

[RCP57]

Gotta love the modesty, I think without you realizing it you became an expert, with plenty of knowledge sir.;)

Thanks Jason. I'm not trying to say that I don't have some skill, I just think there is always much more to learn. Over the last 4 years I have spent more time than most scratch building equipment so I have learned a thing or two.:cool: Lots more to figure out yet though as every project requires a new set of skills and engineering! My biggest secret is to not give up when something stumps me. As an old mechanic once told me, "Time, patience, and perseverance"!

[JDH429]

Thanks Jason. I'm not trying to say that I don't have some skill, I just think there is always much more to learn. Over the last 4 years I have spent more time than most scratch building equipment so I have learned a thing or two.:cool: Lots more to figure out yet though as every project requires a new set of skills and engineering! My biggest secret is to not give up when something stumps me. As an old mechanic once told me, "Time, patience, and perseverance"!


Im with ya there, Thats good advise. :D

[Joe25]

Looking great so far as always, still in awe of the self made five-holers

[Wiskybilt]

I noticed the ribs on the doors, it looks like you soldered them on, or did you shape them with a bead roller? Either way they turned out great.

[RCP57]

Looking great so far as always, still in awe of the self made five-holers

Thanks Joe. I had to see what they would look like on here and now I need to make another set for this truck!lol The last set took me several days to make so I'm not sure when I'll get them done for this truck. Might not be until the fall:(. I did order some tires for it this week though:D.

I noticed the ribs on the doors, it looks like you soldered them on, or did you shape them with a bead roller? Either way they turned out great.

The ribs on the doors are just glued on as are the other details. It is aluminum filler rod carefully ground on the backside to be flat and just slightly less than half of the original thickness. Believe it or not, CA glue does a pretty good job of holding this stuff in place. You just need to rough things up a bit and use multiple applications of the glue to fill every gap completely.

I hope to have some more updates in the next couple of days.

[Wiskybilt]

I'll keep looking. You do massage the metal very well.

[RCP57]

A small update. I spent the latter part of the afternoon and evening machining the rad and then bending up the hood. The hood still needs work but I had already been in the shop for too long and was hungry.lol

The rad started out as a piece of 4"x1/2".

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5291_zpsgiclwijn.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5291_zpsgiclwijn.jpg.html)
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You might be wondering why I machined out so much of the core area but left some....

The answer is....

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5293_zpslxacfznl.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5293_zpslxacfznl.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5294_zpsteqovlvy.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5294_zpsteqovlvy.jpg.html)

Then the hood

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5296_zpsx5utsrvs.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5296_zpsx5utsrvs.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5295_zpsmtqsv4xe.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5295_zpsmtqsv4xe.jpg.html)

Looking more like a truck now!:D

[Rakthi]

Absolutely beautiful work! Hard to believe you just start out with a sketch on a piece of paper! Love the little details you've already put in place.

Respect!
Stephan

[RCP57]

Absolutely beautiful work! Hard to believe you just start out with a sketch on a piece of paper! Love the little details you've already put in place.

Respect!
Stephan

Thanks Stephan. It's not as difficult as it may seem but I'll take the compliment!

A little update. I got the rad and cab mounted and the hood fitting fairly well. I also added some detail to the hood.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5299_zps7indgl51.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5299_zps7indgl51.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5301_zpsfut9fnwp.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5301_zpsfut9fnwp.jpg.html)
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[Wiskybilt]

That's looking real good. , what are you doing for a grill? Working Louvers?

[RCP57]

That's looking real good. , what are you doing for a grill? Working Louvers?

:D:D:D

Here's a little update from today. Not much really but I did receive some stuff from the UPS man today. Most of the package was not for me but I did buy myself a new set of tires for the truck(Thanks Alex:cool:). It amazes me how much the look changes with just a more scale looking set of tires. I also locked both axles today before putting on the new tires.

http://youtu.be/ri5SAp7TBb8

Some inside/outside shots
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[Trucker_Jo]

Sweeeeett! :jump:

[D8R]

Love those nice curves on cab, amazing skills to make that out of a sheet!
Dan

[bigford]

that truck is to old for Alcoa's I love it!!!!!

[RCP57]

Love those nice curves on cab, amazing skills to make that out of a sheet!
Dan

Thanks a lot Dan!

that truck is to old for Alcoa's I love it!!!!!

Haha, well we'll have to see. I don't really like the stock wheels but I do like the chrome.

I have been working on this for an hour or so in the evening the last couple of days. I made some headlight bezels but I did them freehand so they aren't totally identical. It's hard to tell so I will call it good enough. I made my own lenses too but gave up trying to get a domed shape. I'm not in love with having flat, perfetly clear lenses but the size is odd so what's a guy to do. I also added grab handles to the cab. Tonight I started making the rad guard. I used sheet copper and made up my own angle pieces and then milled them all to the same size. I've never soldered this type of stuff before but it went OK. I wish I had a smaller torch though...

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[Exclusive RC]

Like always, amazing job Reg, keep the pics coming!

[RCP57]

Like always, amazing job Reg, keep the pics coming!

Thanks a lot Brian.

Working with this small stuff is SO much easier using copper rather than aluminum:eek:! It still takes some patience but solder is way more forgiving. Anyway, I was in the shop at 6:30am today so that I could work on this before I started on customer stuff. I think the guard turned out looking good and I am looking forward to using the copper sheet again when I do the shutters.:D

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[Joe25]

I would almost pay to watch you work, truely great stuff

[Kaf343]

I'm with Joe, second to none Reg. Amaising!

[RCP57]

Thanks very much guys. I think it would be pretty boring watching me work... Unless you like colorful language!

I couldn't resist taking these shots before this box got packaged up. I still don't know what direction I am heading with this truck but this does look pretty fine!:cool:

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[Supermario]

Nothing wrong with another dump truck.:D
I like the water tank in the dump box idea. A detachable tailgate, drop in water tank self contained with pump and spray jets. Just drop in, plug in and play.:)
And better yet, if you build a pond in the compound, you could draw water into the tank RC style! :D

All kidding aside, that truck would look great as a dump truck but I can see this becoming the 1/14th scale version in honour of your 850 complete with a scratch reg built lowboy behind it.:D. Or maybe a end dump trailer?:rolleyes:

[Cooper]

Hey reg, if you want to bend the light lenses, if they are plastic,,, find or make a dome, ball bearing, ect the shape you want, metal, glass, marble, something that will take heat, put them in the oven for a bit. Place them in cold oven take up to temp until they lay down. Doesn't matter how fast the cool just how fast they heat up, sometimes plastics boil, internal air bubbles if heated too fast. I've made a few contoured windshields that way. Usually using acrilic or plexi, but plastics heat form easily.

[Mikem]

That truck reminds me of the old HO scale Ulrich truck my dad had on his rr when I was a kid , I drove it every where . It's a great truck . Mike

[headers]

Very Niceeeeee truck great job

[flatdeck]

Great build Reg. Shinny parts look right on that truck, will make a nice update rebuild of a old KW.....


Wayne...

[RCP57]

Nothing wrong with another dump truck.:D
I like the water tank in the dump box idea. A detachable tailgate, drop in water tank self contained with pump and spray jets. Just drop in, plug in and play.:)
And better yet, if you build a pond in the compound, you could draw water into the tank RC style! :D

All kidding aside, that truck would look great as a dump truck but I can see this becoming the 1/14th scale version in honour of your 850 complete with a scratch reg built lowboy behind it.:D. Or maybe a end dump trailer?:rolleyes:

Yes it almost seems like a dump truck would be the most practical but I already have three. I really like building them though and they are all a little different looking:thinking: I don't think an end dump trailer would be much good given the steepness of the terrain on my roads but I did kinda wanna keep the one I built for Alex and I could build a water tanker as well if I keep a fifth wheel on the truck. Too many options....

Hey reg, if you want to bend the light lenses, if they are plastic,,, find or make a dome, ball bearing, ect the shape you want, metal, glass, marble, something that will take heat, put them in the oven for a bit. Place them in cold oven take up to temp until they lay down. Doesn't matter how fast the cool just how fast they heat up, sometimes plastics boil, internal air bubbles if heated too fast. I've made a few contoured windshields that way. Usually using acrilic or plexi, but plastics heat form easily.

Thanks RW, I will have to try that. I made a piece of aluminum with the curve I wanted but using a heat gun just curled the edges even when heating it inside a tube. After trying that I just gave up for now. I was thinking about the oven but was worried about it stinking up the house. I guess I should have taken that lightly used toaster oven I was offered a month ago and put it in my shop....

That truck reminds me of the old HO scale Ulrich truck my dad had on his rr when I was a kid , I drove it every where . It's a great truck . Mike

Sounds like that was fun!

Very Niceeeeee truck great job

Thank you sir!

Great build Reg. Shinny parts look right on that truck, will make a nice update rebuild of a old KW.....


Wayne...

Thanks Wayne. We'll see where it goes but I like them right now.

[TRUCKMAKER]

That's looking incredible as always reg. It reminds of a truck I seen with a crane that had a clam shell bucket on it.:bounce::D

[D8R]

You might have found lenses already, if not, I remember that PLASTRUCT had some in different sizes. Couldn't find part no on their homepage.
/Dan

[RCP57]

You might have found lenses already, if not, I remember that PLASTRUCT had some in different sizes. Couldn't find part no on their homepage.
/Dan

I checked out their catalog Dan. Wow! What a ton of stuff. I didn't find what I was looking for but I did find a bunch of stuff I didn't know I needed.lol Kinda like shopping at Costco. You go with a list but come out with $200 worth of different stuff.haha!

I spent more hours of the day today working on my shutters than I'd like to admit. What a pain and they aren't even done yet! Oh well, at least they are in their positions. Now just to get them working...

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Thanks for looking.

[bigford]

its a shame your going to paint the truck!! aluminum and brass look real nice polished

[RCP57]

its a shame your going to paint the truck!! aluminum and brass look real nice polished

I may not paint it for a while. I would like to take to a few shows in raw state. Everyone assumes that all trucks are plastic bodied and I would like them to see that most of mine aren't without having to tell them. It will most likely see paint eventually though as I don't have the energy to polish it after every time I touch it.lol I see old pictures of my KW850 and Hayes HD right before they were stripped down for paint and I always think about how cool they looked raw(especially the 850 since it really was all aluminum). I had a vision for both of those trucks though so they needed to be painted in their "company" colors to be full on tributes. "Scrappy" is just a hoarder's special so it can be whatever I want.:)

[Trucker_Jo]

Resto- Modded awesome heavy haul 120' pole truck:bounce:
Still blown away by your metal skills...

[RCP57]

Here's a small update. It doesn't look like much has happened but I have spent hours working on the shutters.

http://youtu.be/H2lLCjSkbPE

I wanted to see what the hood would look like polished so I shined up half of it and the rad. It came up pretty quickly with course rouge and I'm sure it would look kinda neat with some effort but I won't be polishing more... I don't think.lol I don't know if there are too many polished aluminum RC trucks out there? Probably for good reason.

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[TRUCKMAKER]

Nice, you got the shutters hooked into the battery temp or motor temp or both? :lol::lol::p:D

[RCP57]

Nice, you got the shutters hooked into the battery temp or motor temp or both? :lol::lol::p:D

Yeah that's right!lol In all seriousness though I was thinking of setting them up so that they open under full throttle but I'm not sure. We have a show coming up in about three weeks so I need to pick a direction and get going on this truck. I would like to have it nearly completed by then but not painted. Look for some updates this week!

[Supermario]

I wanted to see what the hood would look like polished so I shined up half of it and the rad. It came up pretty quickly with course rouge and I'm sure it would look kinda neat with some effort but I won't be polishing more...

Ok, how's this sound Reg......
Buy me a plane ticket out there, I'll bring all my high tech polishing equipment , set me up in a tent in the compound and I'll make that body look like chrome.....should take 2-3 weeks to finish but it'll be worth it buddy. I promise ;):lol::D

[RCP57]

Ok, how's this sound Reg......
Buy me a plane ticket out there, I'll bring all my high tech polishing equipment , set me up in a tent in the compound and I'll make that body look like chrome.....should take 2-3 weeks to finish but it'll be worth it buddy. I promise ;):lol::D

Hey man, if you are looking for an excuse to come out you don't need one. Just get your behind out here. We have a spare bedroom so you won't need a tent. No smoking in the house though....:rolleyes:

I worked on the truck most of the day today but haven't taken any pictures yet. Hopefully I can finish up what I'm doing tomorrow and then show you guys some decent progress.

[RCP57]

A bit of an update. I decided the add a little modern flair...

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[RCP57]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUM0MMFlohs

[Supermario]

How sweet it is :cool::D. Nice to see your customizing side coming out on this build.;)

[flatdeck]

Boy they are awful big ears on that truck Reg.. Look awesome........


Wayne

[Mikem]

Wayne I guess it's all the better to hear with . L Riding Hood . Reg I think you should come and run on Capital roads . Mike

[Bo Wallen]

Hey Reg
You're metal skill is just top notch love it. Can you concider a clear coat just to protect from fatty finger prints and show the beauty in the beast ? Just my 2c
love the videos from you're vonderland:cool:

[JAMMER]

Reg your metal work is great you keep[ getting better an better. Ed

[RCP57]

Thanks guys. I guess I have thrown the scale look completely out the window now. I have never really built a "custom" truck before as everything else has been modeled after a particular machine. This is turning in a different direction than I had originally intended as it was going to be a stock looking old truck. Not complaining though as I think it looks decent and will be fairly unique when finished. I made air tanks, battery box, steps and started on the air cleaner today. Fuel tanks will be next I guess when time permits.

Let me know what you all think...

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[andyathome]

i personaly think this is exactly how they should have built the old school trucks, looks awesom and some mad metal work skills.
but it definatly needs the old school paint job.

cheers andy

[RCP57]

Thanks Andy. I had originally planned to paint it but now I am thinking it will be left raw to show off the metal body. I plan to polish all of the smaller parts but I haven't decided what finish to give the body. I am thinking polished is too much maintenance so maybe brushed finish? We'll see. I like the contrast of the copper and aluminum together. I just need to figure out what metal to use and where.lol

[Supermario]

I agree 100% Reg. The copper and aluminum work really well together and looks wicked! But what are you gonna do about the scars in the cab roof?

[Supermario]

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I'm sorry, this picture just screams 6wd!?????

[RCP57]

I agree 100% Reg. The copper and aluminum work really well together and looks wicked! But what are you gonna do about the scars in the cab roof?

Thanks Mario. I blame you again! Are you referring to the JB weld or the actual weld in the center? I really wish I had thought about leaving it raw before I put the JB weld on. I thought I was being smart by using the leftover goop from another project as body filler on this. Now I am kicking my A$$ for doing it. I will sand it off I guess but it doesn't come off easy.

Oh, and are you suggesting that I put a driven front axle in this? The thought had crossed my mind but I don't want to spend the money for an axle.lol

[RCKiwi]

Always a big fan of your ally work Reg! I think you've got a great eye for the detail and then using wafer thin ally (and copper!) to catch the look with such a good fettle and finish is very skillful..... top work in my book (again) :cool:
Glenn

[RCP57]

Thanks very much Glenn. I think I have nearly addressed what Mario was referring to and it looks much better. I needed to sand that crud off but I was leery to do it because I couldn't remember how bad my metal work was underneath. Apparently it wasn't too bad as I was able to sand off almost all of the JB weld without finding any major imperfections in the metal. Once I had things looking close I tried making up a copper visor.

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[TRUCKMAKER]

Thanks Mario. I blame you again! Are you referring to the JB weld or the actual weld in the center? I really wish I had thought about leaving it raw before I put the JB weld on. I thought I was being smart by using the leftover goop from another project as body filler on this. Now I am kicking my A$$ for doing it. I will sand it off I guess but it doesn't come off easy.

Oh, and are you suggesting that I put a driven front axle in this? The thought had crossed my mind but I don't want to spend the money for an axle.lol

Yep it needs a driven front axle and since you don't want to spend the money then spend the time, we all know that you got the skills to make your own.:lol::lol::lol:;)

[Supermario]

Yep it needs a driven front axle and since you don't want to spend the money then spend the time, we all know that you got the skills to make your own.:lol::lol::lol:;)

:lol::lol:. So true Kent!

Remember how much fun the 850 axles were Reg? .....oh, wait a minute. You DO remember, that's why you haven't made one already. :D

The scars are gone! Not sure what you were covering up in the first place?
Question: can you clear coat this to preserve the nice clean look? I know it's not humid in your neck of the woods but that copper is going to be tough to keep clean and shiny?

[1strodeo]

That is some talented work,,

[RCP57]

The scary part is I have enough scraps to make a drive axle for the front! It would be a Frankenstein type thing of course but it could be done. Much easier to press the buy button though as I don't see myself wanting to invest the effort. What is the best option for a front axle? I wouldn't mind having AWD but I think it will be an add-on later as money in the bank is more important than money blown on mini KW's at the moment.lol I could, and have been thinking about making my own reduction for this. Maybe when I do a shaft sticks out forward as well as to the rear just in case?:cool:

I don't know what I was hiding either Mario:confused:. The more I sanded at the JB Weld the more I was like WTF? Anyway. it looks better now.

Maybe I need to go this direction?

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5504_zpscbt67xx0.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5504_zpscbt67xx0.jpg.html)

[blitzk]

That looks like a great match, Reg!!! Great job on truck and trailer both!! Unbelievable workmanship!!!

[Lil Giants]

It won't pull it, that's a highway hauler & the last I saw, you don't have any paved roads. :thinking: :D

Bobtails get around so much easier, quicker turnarounds.

[RCP57]

Thanks blitzk. I do like the looks of this combo but Joe is 100% correct. It just wouldn't work in my play area. The roads are all gravel and fairly steep too! It would be stuck everywhere, not to mention that the roads aren't very smooth or flat so it would probably fall over while dumping. Even at the shows we attend we always end up making an offroad environment so it wouldn't work there either.:( I did have fun towing it around my shop floor yesterday though!

[JAMMER]

Hi Reg very nice work as usual but there is one thing wrong with your trailer it should be qe to be a quad axle so it distribures the weight better so you won't sink in on soft roads. Ed

[justin]

I vote for the end dump

[RCP57]

Hi Reg very nice work as usual but there is one thing wrong with your trailer it should be qe to be a quad axle so it distribures the weight better so you won't sink in on soft roads. Ed

Thanks Ed. The trailer is a customer project so I'm just building it the way I was asked to. If I built one for myself it would be a shorter trailer and only a tandem. You just don't see many tri or quad axle end dump trailers here. More and more dump trucks using a dolly and towing a short end dump instead of a pup though.

I vote for the end dump

Haha, I don't think it's gonna happen Justin.lol

[RCP57]

I shut down trailer manufacturing at 4:30pm yesterday and worked another 3 hours on this. Then I was back out in the shop early this morning before heading out on a material run to finish mounting the fuel tanks. There are a few more small details(tank, rad caps ect) but I think all of the big stuff is nearly complete for the body. Almost time to tear it down and clean it up real nice.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5507_zpsgbab8b6z.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5507_zpsgbab8b6z.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5508_zpsbzrunecq.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5508_zpsbzrunecq.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5509_zpswjzc2xi1.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5509_zpswjzc2xi1.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5510_zpsv0jkcnad.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5510_zpsv0jkcnad.jpg.html)

[RCP57]

Video update to go with the pictures. http://youtu.be/WiP_QVQFBq4

[flatdeck]

Great looking Truck Reg. Love the brass and aluminum look.....



Wayne

[Mikem]

Looks great ! How did you make the fuel tanks ? Mike

[RCP57]

Thanks Wayne. Maybe I could get a trophy from the email you sent?lol

Mike, the tanks consist of two caps and half of a coupling soldered together. I turned each piece in the lathe to make a nice fit and then stuck them together. The tanks straps cover the little bit of solder on the seems.

[bigford]

she is a classy lady,great work reg

[Mikem]

Aha thanks Reg

[jasonthekid]

Wow...all I can say. Your work is incredible!

[1strodeo]

It looks great like that.... Throw some clear coat on it and leave it like that

[RCP57]

Thanks for the compliments fellows. One more update for the week. Bullets and more bullets!lol There are a ton of forest fires going on in BC and heat records have been shattered all over the place in the last week or so. The sky is full of smoke here even thought there aren't any fires close by(THANKFULLY!) so it is really dark and hard on the eyes outside. The sky is a very strange color because of the haze but oddly it makes photographs of the truck look really good.

https://youtu.be/hhNXxkjX6Jg

And an update video for the truck.

http://youtu.be/KHGMGn7MGfU

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5511_zpsgpksqgbm.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5511_zpsgpksqgbm.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5512_zpsnq8vnkky.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5512_zpsnq8vnkky.jpg.html)
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http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5518_zpsuuy8odsj.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5518_zpsuuy8odsj.jpg.html)
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[SonoranWraith]

Time for a shiny frame too? ;)

[egronvold]

So many nice details :) Stay safe!

[RCP57]

Time for a shiny frame too? ;)

Yes I think so. Not sure what to do about the black axles and cross members if I do that though.

So many nice details :) Stay safe!

Thank you sir!

[Supermario]

Looks awsome Reg. Great idea using shell casings! I wonder, is there a shell casing diameter that could be used as the air cleaner top hat?
If the truck needs a name besides hoarder special, how's. " silver bullet " sound? :D

[9W Monighan]

Nice! Is that a 45,000LB front Axel?:eek:

[tc1cat]

NICE!!!! Would a .50 BMG casing work for the air cleaner top? Not sure what the diameter of one is but should be close. The .22LR casings for the marker lights is out of sight!! Would suggest some rifle casings for your air tanks but yours are too nice not to use.

Great truck! Wish it was mine :D:D

[RCP57]

Looks awsome Reg. Great idea using shell casings! I wonder, is there a shell casing diameter that could be used as the air cleaner top hat?
If the truck needs a name besides hoarder special, how's. " silver bullet " sound? :D

It turned out pretty cool. Not sure about a cap for the air
cleaner. Artillery shell perhaps?:cool:

Nice! Is that a 45,000LB front Axel?:eek:

Haha. Not sure if those plastic spindles will hold up that kind of weight. Funny how raising the bumper makes the axle and the stance of the truck look so different.

NICE!!!! Would a .50 BMG casing work for the air cleaner top? Not sure what the diameter of one is but should be close. The .22LR casings for the marker lights is out of sight!! Would suggest some rifle casings for your air tanks but yours are too nice not to use.

Great truck! Wish it was mine :D:D

I was going to ask a friend for a few spent 50 cal casings to use on the tanks and possibly the exhaust but I knew I wouldn't see him for a while and I'm impatient.lol That idea is what prompted me to use casings for the hubs and lights. I spoak to him on the phone the other night and he said he might have some so I may swap tanks in the future to keep the theme going. Come to think of it, i have a 4" shell casing that we drug up off the ocean floor a few years ago. It's stamped 1943 on the end and is brass but all patinaed and green. Would make an interesting load....

Your wish can come true for the right price you know.;)

[SonoranWraith]

Yes I think so. Not sure what to do about the black axles and cross members if I do that though.

Well there are aluminum hop up options out there but it means buying instead of making which you have done so great on this rig.

[Grainfarmer]

Great job! Looks fantastic...

How much will that cab cost in 1:16? :p

[RCP57]

Well there are aluminum hop up options out there but it means buying instead of making which you have done so great on this rig.

I could make them but I don't really want to put in the effort and then still have plastic diffs. It will stay the way it is for now.

Great job! Looks fantastic...

How much will that cab cost in 1:16? :p

Thanks! I don't think I will be building another in any scale but if someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse then who knows!lol I don't think that is likely.

Here's some pics of here from Friday night before it got all dirty at the show this weekend. I ended up putting a water tank on her. It has a pump under the tank but I couldn't get the water to stop siphoning out so I installed a small solenoid valve that opens when the pump turns on. The pump could be more powerful but it works pretty good and holds about 6 liters of water. I have a video uploading of it in action but some of the nozzles were plugged yesterday so it wasn't working great. Overall I am happy with what I got accomplished prior to the show. Hopefully I can add the final details to the truck over the next while.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5535_zpsamyoh7gr.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5535_zpsamyoh7gr.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5536_zpsxsgslark.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5536_zpsxsgslark.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5537_zpso5mnut4r.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5537_zpso5mnut4r.jpg.html)

[TRUCKMAKER]

Amazing Reg, can't wait to see the video.

[jasonthekid]

This thing looks incredible! Definitely something to be proud of. Great job!
Can't wait for the vid

[RCP57]

Thanks guys. I think there maybe a better video on Facebook but I don't have Facebook so I can't say for sure.lol I know chaseracer either took pictures or video on Saturday and posted it. Anyway, my video is not very good. The water pump and solenoid run off of the throttle channel and the truck is on the right stick. I was trying to hold the camera in one hand and run the truck with the other. Needless to say that wasn't easy or graceful:rolleyes:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bniQnBWCygE

[JAMMER]

Hi Reg great work on your tanker that brass really set it off and those 22 shells for marker lights are very thought out. Keep up the great work. Ed

[RCP57]

I picked up a new pump for this yesterday. It is a windshield washer pump from Princess Auto. No idea what it was in originally but it's in a Kenworth now.lol It had a relief valve with a really light spring. With no restriction it pumped like crazy(so did the original) but as soon as the pressure came up it dropped off. A quick dig through my spring container and I had a replacement that was sure to fix the issue. The new spring is so stiff that it has no relief:D. Anyway, the unfortunate part is that the tank was made to fit around the old pump and of course the new pump although smaller, doesn't fit well. For now it is just crammed under the tank but I will have to carefully cut and modify the tank later.:(

She's pumps out 6l of water in just a few minutes now!

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5630_zpszdgehxkg.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5630_zpszdgehxkg.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5631_zpsylvnaf5r.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5631_zpsylvnaf5r.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5632_zpszjmvzhul.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_5632_zpszjmvzhul.jpg.html)

Videos are uploading of it in action.

[RCP57]

Wetting the road...

https://youtu.be/-KpqLVIUVUc
https://youtu.be/UK7J_bEkwdM

[Supermario]

Such a great build Reg, I almost want to buy you a sound unit just to see and hear it in action:p.......I said Almost! :lol:

It's not just a water truck, you could fill with weed killer too! :D.
Best looking RC water truck I've ever seen by far. :cool:

[bigford]

that will keep the dust down!! great work reg

[DieselKid]

I love this rig! All the details are incredible Reg!:jaw:

Question for you, I see your awesome scale mounting brackets for the front bumper flaps and the rear flaps, but how did you attach the flaps behind the front fenders? It looks clean, and I'm debating all sorts of methods for fender flaps on my T800....anything from a standard mudflap bracket, to drilling holes in the bottom of the fender and attaching the flap right to the fender.....

Anyway long story short, was wondering how you did those?:D I hate to snag the awesome flap hangers you put on my dump trailer!:cop:

Thanks,
-Alex

[RCP57]

Such a great build Reg, I almost want to buy you a sound unit just to see and hear it in action:p.......I said Almost! :lol:

It's not just a water truck, you could fill with weed killer too! :D.
Best looking RC water truck I've ever seen by far. :cool:

Thanks Mario. The sound unit will come. I just have to finish all of my other jobs first! Maybe instead of weed killer I could use fertilizer and drive around on the lawn?

that will keep the dust down!! great work reg

Thanks! My sifted gravel just falls apart when it's dry like this but with just a bit of water it packs again. I think this will do the trick perfectly! In the fall it will get a special dump box.

I love this rig! All the details are incredible Reg!:jaw:

Question for you, I see your awesome scale mounting brackets for the front bumper flaps and the rear flaps, but how did you attach the flaps behind the front fenders? It looks clean, and I'm debating all sorts of methods for fender flaps on my T800....anything from a standard mudflap bracket, to drilling holes in the bottom of the fender and attaching the flap right to the fender.....

Anyway long story short, was wondering how you did those?:D I hate to snag the awesome flap hangers you put on my dump trailer!:cop:

Thanks,
-Alex

Well Alex, it's a pretty big secret.... Wait for it.... wait for it... Nah, I'm just messing with you. The flaps are just glued on the rigid mounts at the back. The front's are pnched and glued into the copper. I wasn't sure if it would work but I didn't want to drill holes so I tried it. I used a flexible CA type glue and it seems to be working well. Having said that I have yet to back into a dirt pile and spin the tires against the flaps like on the dump trucks. That may just pull them off.

[Mikem]

Great truck Reg as usual ! Mike

[DieselKid]

Well Alex, it's a pretty big secret.... Wait for it.... wait for it... Nah, I'm just messing with you. The flaps are just glued on the rigid mounts at the back. The front's are pnched and glued into the copper. I wasn't sure if it would work but I didn't want to drill holes so I tried it. I used a flexible CA type glue and it seems to be working well. Having said that I have yet to back into a dirt pile and spin the tires against the flaps like on the dump trucks. That may just pull them off.

Haha, thanks for the info buddy! Yeah I'm glad you mentioned that about backing into a pile, something to take into consideration.....that's usually what kills them on the 1:1s! :)

-Alex

[RCP57]

I had to let this one go outside for a tinkle today. It pumps a good amount of water now. Just about right I would say.

http://youtu.be/Acb7J5H3EuE

This is one pass up and back.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/RCP%20Compound/IMG_5652_zpsqlibos3b.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/RCP%20Compound/IMG_5652_zpsqlibos3b.jpg.html)

And this is a single pass going as slow as I can.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/RCP%20Compound/IMG_5653_zpsfjwqx0u2.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/RCP%20Compound/IMG_5653_zpsfjwqx0u2.jpg.html)

A couple pictures of it all pumped out. It ran through about 6L of water in around 5 minutes.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/RCP%20Compound/IMG_5654_zpstocpgazn.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/RCP%20Compound/IMG_5654_zpstocpgazn.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/RCP%20Compound/IMG_5655_zpspqq2e937.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/RCP%20Compound/IMG_5655_zpspqq2e937.jpg.html)

[126happy]

WOOOOOOOOW:jaw::jaw::jaw: I LOVE THIS TRUCK!! YOU GOT SOME AMAZING BUILDING SKILLS MAN!! WOW ....JUST WOW IS ALL I CAN SAY ALONG WITH NONE STOP DROOLING !! LOL

SHAUN
TAMPA FL

[RCP57]

Thanks Shaun! Your build is making me want to try my luck with styrene but I've never used it so it's out of my comfort zone. Maybe one day...

[bigford]

the only difference between metal and plastic working
is what your going to stab yourself with LOL!!!!

[RCP57]

It's been a long time but this thing has slowly received some upgrades and changes. AWD with Lesu axles, suspension, T case, tires and wheels. Sound unit, windows(ish), a clean up of the wiring ect. She's got her water tank on her back and all ready for the ATHS show in Duncan BC next month.

Some details about the mods in this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnV3gAQ0B8o

Testing the reinstalled water tank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7EGi7EziIk

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_7411_zpsm8zkxx1p.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_7411_zpsm8zkxx1p.jpg.html)
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[crisis time]

an amazing build well done

[Doggy]

Wow, i love this truck!

[Claus]

Great work Reg! Just curious, what is the ratio of the reduction you have before the transmission and how many turns is the motor (35T, 45T, etc) Speed looked very scale.

[RCP57]

Thanks a lot guys. I'm not sure what the reduction is ahead of the trans. I think I was told it's around 4-1 but I honestly never actually counted the teeth. I believe the motor is a 55t and then the t case is 2-1. I like the speed as well but I hoped it might have been slower still. Oh well, it seems to crawl along OK and I think it will smooth out some when I get new driveshafts. It's actually kind of cool on smooth ground because you can rev it out in 1st,2nd,3rd in a smaller space. If you back off the throttle in between gears with the sound unit, it actually sounds realistic.

[Claus]

Reg if the ratios of a stock Tamiya 3 speed are;

1st - 1.32.49
2nd - 1.17.66
3rd - 1.10.66

Multiply them by 3 at the motor and again by 2 at the transfer case.........Holy Smokes, them are some low gears!!! Not to mention running off a 55T motor!

[RCP57]

Yes it's fairly low geared for sure. For spreading water it could be even slower but it's good enough. The worst part now is all of the slop in in the driveline. With all of the reductions and backlash in the gears it rolls a fair bit before things tighten up when you crest a hill. I am excited to get the Doggy reductions on two of my other trucks. Just need to get some spare time and a couple of drive shafts.

[Stefan]

Beautiful truck, Reg. A real working horse, too. Really like the metal work on the cab.

Stefan

[RCP57]

Thanks very much Stefan. Not much to look at compared to your work though!

[Stefan]

Thank you very much Reg, but you are being unfair to yourself given that my build has been going on for so much longer.

[RCP57]

Your build may take a while but it will truly be as close to the real thing as possible. I like to build in close enoughs.lol That why they don't take long.:rolleyes:

I was asked about my steering setup with the driven China axle up front. It isn't the best setup I'll admit but it works like a charm! I apologize for the poor pictures. The truck has water in the tank so I couldn't tip it up. One hand holding the truck half off the shelf and the other trying to focus the camera didn't work so well.lol

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/IMG_7562_zpsukr6enjl.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/IMG_7562_zpsukr6enjl.jpg.html)
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/IMG_7561_zpsgcrajnw7.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/IMG_7561_zpsgcrajnw7.jpg.html)

[Claus]

Thanks for posting these photos Reg! Things are super tight under there for sure.

[RCP57]

Yeah it's crowded. The trans is both lifted and moved forward about 3/4"-1". I don't know if that could have been done without the motor being flipped around on top of the trans. One thing I can say for sure is that it shifts much more positive now that the shift rod is much shorter and has less slop. With all of the reductions and driveshafts the driveline is another story. The truck moves at least 2" back and forth before all of the slack is taken up. It sucks when you crest a hill going super slow. Looks like it's taking off for a split second.lol

[Claus]

Reg, I was wondering how does the LESU springs hold up to a full tank of water? I believe you are using the set with the aluminum or metal leaves vs the plastic leaves, I have the same set in my truck. My truck seems soft in the rear but I don't have a trailer to see if it is too soft or not.

[RCP57]

Sorry but I just saw the last post Craig! The springs are better than Tamiya but not great.

I have been wanting to do this for a while but just haven't made the time. My mill is down again and it's cramping my style in the shop while I wait for new parts to come so I thought I'd get this done. As you've all seen before, I use this truck to show off my customer's trailers before they ship out. I had two esc's in the truck but didn't have a way to power the dump bodies or the tarps without pulling the cab off so I added a third esc and these speaker connectors to the cab. It's not the best looking but it will make short work of the connections and still leaves room the mount the water tank this summer.

http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b588/RCP57/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_0378_zpsb2y0ochg.jpg (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/RCP57/media/Kenworth%20925ish/IMG_0378_zpsb2y0ochg.jpg.html)
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[blitzk]

That's a great idea with the speaker connections, Reg! Looks awesome!!

[RCP57]

Thanks. Someone on Facebook suggested painting them silver and although I like that idea, I think I will just make a little aluminum cover for the very top. That will hide them a bit more. without having to paint them.

[tc1cat]

With the added copper details, why not an aluminum box with a copper hinged front to hide the connectors? Love the idea of the connectors!!

[Lil Giants]

Yeah! those connectors are pretty trick Reg :cool: