Pete 367 in brass

[Timmy]

I origanally posted in general discussion to figure out how to get pics up, and the pic I posted in that thread is farther along then where I'll start for this one. I am be no means an expert, I am posting what I'm building for feedback, and ideas. I hope you like what you see

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8930-2.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3658-2.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3658-1.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0073-1.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0878-1.jpg

These pictures show the model I'm modeling, and the beginning card stock mock ups

[scalelover]

Looks like a good start, always the best way to do it. Get as many shots for reference and go from there. So your building entire truck from brass I'm assuming this based off your other thread? Or is it just a brass base with styrene panels?

--Dan

[Brian in PA]

It looks like your well under way! Are you biulding a strait truck or a tractor? Keep up the good work.

Brian

[Timmy]

This will be a tractor, with a 32' dump trailer. The cab will be made of brass, completely, the frame is steel. As for the hood, I'm not sure yet, I made a fiberglass one, it just doesn't look right, so I may build it out of brass as well. Here's some more pics of where I am in the build.

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_5249-3.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6807-4.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_5249-4.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6807-5.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_5249-5.jpg

[Espeefan]

Looks very interesting. Any chance you can edit your post and put the photos beneath each other? Just hit the enter button after the IMG link. It would make the photos easier to see. Nice work though, so far. I give you tons of credit for building in brass. That's awesome. Nothing looks as good as a real metal truck.

[Timmy]

So, unfortunately this week, I haven't had much of a chance to work on the Pete, but I did make a new form for the hood.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3658-3.jpgI started with the rear skin in this pic(I'm just trying to update from where I left off)
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8930-3.jpgthe nice thing with brass is that it forms easily

[androiduk]

I shall be following this build closely looks like it will be stunning ! !

[tc1cat]

What an ambitious project:eek::eek: While I love working with brass, I don't think that I have the nerve to make an entire cab out of it. I am not the best at sheet metal work at all. Machining brass is all together different than doing any kind of sheet metal. All I can say is "GOOD LUCK!!!"

Will be watching this build:eek:

[Timmy]

I hope I don't disappoint. Now the cab is brass, but true to the real truck, Im building a fiberglass hood. The first one I made unfortunately didn't work out so well, but I'll show you the pictures of the forms I used.http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6807-7.jpgI used copper tubing to build the general shape.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_5249-6.jpgI then covered it with masking tape and taped the styrofoam fender blanks to it.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3658-4.jpgI then covered the whole thing again
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8930-4.jpgand this is how it fit to the cab, but the fenders are to low, unfortunately, I didn't notice till after I laid the glass(sorry I don't have pictures of the glass hood) so I have to start again

[Timmy]

Could someone post some pics of a king hauler front axle, minus the wheels and with some measurements please. I need to build a front axle for mock up, and to place suspension. Amy help would be great. Thanks
Tim

P.s. New pics coming soon

[Timmy]

Could someone please point me on the right direction for a scale cat motor that will hide the motor, I can't seem to find them anywhere

[doodlebug]

This is one source, http://www.3000toys.com/catalog/item_detail.aspx?itemfind=NORSCOT55139 Or try your local Cat dealer, or the Bay. Hope this help's.
Later, Neil#2 aka doodlebug.

[Trucker Al]

Or
http://www.amazon.com/Norscot-Cat-Engine-ACERT-Technology/dp/B0007U7IH6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1315449485&sr=8-5

More money but it is IN STOCK..

Al

[Timmy]

Thanks guys, those are both fantastic resources.

[THX_138]

Excellent start. Would a sheet of styrene, your mold and a heat gun get you a nice one piece hood easier then fiberglass?

[Timmy]

I'd like to avoid styrene all together. I like the idea of a brass cab and a fiberglass hood, just because the fiberglass is fairly easy to work with( in my own personal opinion) I've made some decent progress on the cab, still lots to do, and lots of clean up and filing, but that's half the fun right?
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/085535c9.jpg
I've got the cowl structure built, aswell as the upper windshield brace
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/19d48a01.jpg
I've added the firewall, and the doghouse opening is just rough cut
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/f2ddc9d6.jpg
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/00fabafa.jpg
Here I've added the upper support for the rear skin of the cab
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/359daae0.jpg
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/d1008af9.jpg
This is just a general over view of the cab with the back panel in place
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/0a16427e.jpg
And this is a pic of the layout for the back window and the dimples needed to simulate the huck bolts that hold a Pete together
Thanks for looking
Tim

[sneaky-pete]

Looking real good Tim......man you have balls!:eek:(your not scared)

[Timmy]

Thanks sneaky-Pete. I want to do something different, and brass or metal shaping doesn't bug me, it's what I do. I hope I can just do what everyone else here does. Any suggestions are more then welcome.
I'm thinking I'm going to rebuild the hood out of brass, what do you think?

[Brian in PA]

Tim this is a really cool build. If your looking fro some scale rivets/huck fasteners, try scale hardware. They have what you need!

Brian

[Timmy]

So I've got some new pics of the cab, I hope you all enjoy. If anyone has questions or suggestions, feel free to post
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/9045f4f4.jpg
I wanted to avoid solder on the outside, but sometimes it's unavoidable
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/0235eaaf.jpg
The seam at the back, it's going to need some metal finishing
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/dd1cf926.jpg
This is where I prefer to have the solder, less clean up and pretty much hidden
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/d134ee9f.jpg
Just a small overview
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/25afd066.jpg
And this is generally how it should sit on my frame, of which I really need to start working on lol. Should hopefully finish up the front skins tonight, and start the form for the roof.
Hope you guys enjoy
Tim

[Brian in PA]

I see! You made dimples for rivets. Good idea!

Brian

[Straywolf]

Wow this is the first time for me to see something built out of brass from the start. I think i may be learning something new by watching this build. Great work i can't wait to see more:D


Mike

[Timmy]

I havet had much chance to work on the truck lately, but I did start the roof. Probably the most complex piece, but I have confidence, let's see how it turns out.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/64287057.jpg
The foam form
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/33becdf4.jpg
It's not perfect, but it's just the form for the brass
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/55944d50.jpg
And I always make a card stock form
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/1507df68.jpg
It makes it far easier to cut and form the brass with a general idea of where to cut and bend the brass
I should have some new picks later today, here's hoping anyway
Tim

[DuelTruckDriver]

Wow Timmy, I can tell that you have spent a ton of time into this project. As someone else stated you def. have ballz to do a project of this complexity. I half to agree w/ you about the roof. It is probally the hardest panel to form w/ its dome shaping, very challenging. Keep it up man looks really great:)

>Marty<

[Roadmasters]

Im always amazed by what some people can achieve with brass. Looks great, cant wait for more

[Timmy]

So, I know it's been awhile since I've posted, but work commitments take priority. I will post up some new pics of the roof soon, I've been slowly working on it. On another note, does anyone have a set of drive axles they want to sell, mine seem to have gone missing from my storage unit along with a bunch of other things(long story) any help would be appreciated

[Timmy]

So it's been awhile since I've updated my build progress, so I'm going to do so now. Unfortunately my first roof met a crushing end at the feet of one of the kids. So while I'm waiting to get some more brass sheet I've been working on my frame and dump box.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/photo.jpg
I bent up some frame rails and trued them up, funny how I took a picture of them sitting on the roof of a full size Pete roof
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_1272.jpg
I then moved on to the box while I waited for some connector pieces for the frame
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6807-2.jpg
Here I've closed in the front of the box. I have more pictures I've just posted a couple to show everyone, if you want to see more just ask, I'll post them.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0878-1.jpg
And this shot I took to just get an idea of how the overall truck would look
I hope you guys enjoy, and when I get some more brass, I'll continue on the cab and hood. I'm open to any suggestions as well

[CustomClod]

This is awesome! Ill be keeping an eye on it. You do very nice work!
Scott

[crawler07]

Great build Sir! I am also building a couple of brass trucks and when it came time to build the hood and roof I decided to build them from copper instead of brass. The main reason is due to how malleable it is over the brass It will form the corner with the use of a little heat. You can just build a wooden buck instead of foam so you can hammer and heat it over the wood..just another way to build...

[Timmy]

Crawler07, thank you. I've used woodenbucks many times in my day to day job as an automotive restorer. I may still go that route if I can find a small piece of hardwood. I shied away from copper only for the reasoning of possably polishing the brass as opposed to painting, but copper could be a neat contrast, I may just do that now

[crawler07]

Timmy, what type of welder are you using on the bed?

[Timmy]

I'm using a 115 volt mig with a 25/75 mix of argon to Co2

[Timmy]

So I've decided since I have to build he roof again anyway, I might as well take crawler07's advise, and build a wooden buck. The buck I've made is a simple one, and I built it out of 1/2 inch balsa. I don't intend to hammer against the form, just use it as my guide. I've annealed my brass before starting so that I don't have to heat against the wood either, not a good idea with balsa, my wife would kill me if I set fire too it. Here's some shots of the basic wood form
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/5cc3fb48.jpg
It's a nice dock isn't it
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/2fcedbb7.jpg
Cut to general shape
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/27486720.jpg
Now this picture shows the height of the buck, the buck it self is 1.3cm tall (when I scale I use centimeters and millimeters, one cause I'm Canadian, and two it's easier then figuring out thousandths) this happens to be the exact scale height of the roof after it slips onto the cab, so as I shape the buck, I will have to keep this in mind

I'll post more pics as I go

[Timmy]

I finished the final shaping and started building my new roof panel last night
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/328f0dbb.jpg
It looks tall, but the dimensions are correct, and the roof will slide down slightly from here
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/5689086f.jpg
The shape looks very good in the side profile
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/99f80182.jpg
This is the beginning of the new skin
I may build the roof in 4 pieces just to ease the metal forming, it will cause more work finishing the solder joints and smoothing it, but sometimes the longer route is the easiest. And if all else fails, I can smooth the buck even farther and stain it, a nice wooden roof for this Pete lol
Hope you enjoy

[civic83]

this may be a stupid question, but how do you guys get such nice cuts in the brass sheet? I find if I use snips the edges arent very nice no matter how i cut it, you can see "pinching" and tooth marks from the jaws. is there different shears available that are better? the only sheet metal experience i have is from high school shop and we used a foot operated shear that made nice cuts but i dont have the room or budget for such a machine.

[Timmy]

There's no such thing as a stupid question! I've posted a pic of the cutters I use
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/55147c3e.jpg
I'm using .010 brass so any good quality scissors from a sewing store are the best choice. I also use a pair of my old snips from work, they work good, but yes they do leave a knurled edge which you can fix with a fine file. The pair in the picture are snap-on, but a quality pair of Wiss snips from a hardware store work aswell. I also use flush cutters. You can get them from your Lhs. I use these in very tight corners, and you need to dolly the brass smooth after which can cause or will cause some stretching in your piece. Another thing to consider, especially if your cutting long pieces is that both the scissors and the snips will curl the brass as you cut. Scissors aren't as bad as snips, but it will happen. So to solve this I use my little brake. Insert your piece, line it up as if you were going to bend it, then simply score the brass with a hobby knife or utility knife, bend it, fold it back and it will brake with a nice clean edge.
I hope this helps, if there's anything else feel free to ask

[Timmy]

Here's a quick update on where I am with my roof forming
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/c5b11fb5.jpg
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/0c8f0835.jpg
Much more work to be done, but it's taking shape

[civic83]

Thanks for the info, I hadn't considered using the small brake I have to do cuts, I'll have to try it! Your build looks great by the way!

[Timmy]

Thank you for the compliment! Knowledge is only good if you are able to share it! Il hopefully have some more pics up today of the finished roof assembly, fingers crossed.

[Timmy]

Here's the update on the roof. It took approximately 6 pieces, but it looks pretty good
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/2165007f.jpg
In this pic, I've just finished soldering hence the clips
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/08b679e7.jpg
And here it is beside the buck

It's going to take much time to file and smooth, but I'm hopeful the end result will be worth it

[Timmy]

I either need a life, or I need to go back to work lol! Anyway, here's the rest of today's accomplishments
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/7f1d14be.jpg
These are the four pieces that make up the cowl
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/5ea7f5b0.jpg
They fit quite well
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/be0d5644.jpg
Three pieces become one
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/afe5eb83.jpg
Here it's all fitted together and tacked together, just a couple of tweaks needed
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/9d1ee9ab.jpg
I think it's pretty
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/19877c76.jpg
Here's the finish solder
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/90283f54.jpg
It took close to 2 hours to get it filed and smoothed this clean, and there's a touch more to do
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/cd3249c0.jpg
Here it's fitted back to the cab, the fits quite good
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/d694511f.jpg
Sitting on the frame with the roof in place. However, I realized one of my fears, the roof took on a twist from the heat. I should have added my inner structure before I finish soldered it, impatience wins everytime. In the end though it should be good.
Hope I'm doing a decent job of representing a Pete at this stage.

[CustomClod]

I think it looks great. Your well on your way to having a pete! Keep up the great work!
Scott

[SWAGGER]

That's some seriously good brass work there. I think you are doing a great job and I admire your patience and skill. Good on ya!

[Brian in PA]

Looks like a Pete so far!!

Brian

[crawler07]

Great job! And if going back to work is going to slow you down on this project I say stay at home..I cant wait to see more!

[Timmy]

Thank you everyone for the kind words. I was afraid it was looking generic.
So today I started on the hood. I have much more to do to the cab, but I want a small change of pace for a bit
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/3f286f26.jpg
This is the top panel, cut slightly larger then needed
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/d329b3b0.jpg
Really it doesn't look much different other then a slight curve added
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/c2514ab6.jpg
These are my curved extensions to reach down to the side panel, this also shows the break I use aswell
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/f65be7c0.jpg
This makes the last pic make alittle more sense
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/40009f77.jpg
The needed " I started to solder it" pic lmao
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/907cb001.jpg
And here I've lined it up to the cab, it looks kind of silly yet, but in the end it should look just right.
Some of you may have noticed I've strayed from the 367 models hood design. I made a fiberglass hood for it, but I just didn't like the look, this hood design is based on a 389 model, but could I get some one to give me the overall height measurements front and rear of the hood. A standard kh hoods dimensions are fine. It would be extremely helpful, thanks in advance
Tim

[Timmy]

I thought I'd add the picture of my original fiberglass hood, it's just the rough form, and I'll keep it around for a future project.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/79d8fcfa.jpg
Does anyone think it looks dis-proportionate, I think it does

[TRUCKMAKER]

You make this look like a blast to do and you do it very well! I've got to get some brass and practice soldering. Do you sand your tacks and joints or use heat to smooth them out?

[Timmy]

Thank you for the compliment Truckmaker. It really is a blast working with brass. All I can say is try it! I'm sure it will hook you. As for smoothing tacks and joints, I use many methods. I use heat to smooth as well as a stick for lead. For the most part though I scrap and file and sand. It's slower, but using heat on larger joints will work against you, too much heat and your parts start to float out of alignment. It sucks when it happens, and can quickly turn you from working with brass.

And now.......

Today's progress
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/1e497f0e.jpg
This is the cardstock side I cut, and scribed onto my brass sheet
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/761dfc94.jpg
I didn't cut the brass near as high as my cardstock cut out because it seemed to high to me. I also added 1/8 or 3mm to the top and bent it
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/080817c4.jpg
If you look closely at the seam, you'll see the bend at the top, this bend will keep it true to the top, and keep the warping to a minimum
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/01820a6f.jpg
I failed to take a picture of the grill reinforcement as I was doing it, it's sitting in the middle
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/b8d72de3.jpg
Here's how I installed both sides, a couple clips and work fast
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/6b42e9c3.jpg
And here's the almost finished product
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/ceea1c8a.jpg
From the back
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/9e0bd515.jpg
I decided I should mock it up a bit to see if my proportions are correct
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/bc0b35f9.jpg
I'm really happy with the look
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/c439e946.jpg
And I thought I'd put a stack there to get a feel for the progress
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/ca892691.jpg
I'm liking the look

Next up are the fenders, and the rear reinforcement, then the hood hinges. I'd like to put the old style 3 piece steel wheels on this truck to give it an old school feel, does anyone know if anyones making such a wheel?

I hope you enjoy
Tim

[dsm4g63punk]

Wow this is really coming along! You sure are a brass master! keep up the amazing work

[Timmy]

A brass master.......
I'm not so sure, but thank you for the compliment
As for polished versus painted I'm still tossing that idea around. If I could get larger sheets of brass, I wouldn't second guess it, polish it all the way. However I'm using 4x10 sheets which is causing more joints. But we shall see.
I didnt get as much done today as I'd hoped, I had to clean shop a bit(I could find $:&@) however I did get a start on the fenders
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/ace2af54.jpg
This was the first form I made. My hope was to be able to form both sides at the same time
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/1252788a.jpg
However, if you look closely, it doesn't follow a consistent curve, it's to flat at the front
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/7a5844c4.jpg
So I built a new one, but I decided to only build one side, and work one side at a time
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/0b503a74.jpg
So I cut a fender blank, and soldered it to my form
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/d0f780a1.jpg
I then began hammering it around using my trusty dollar store brass hammer
That's right, I got it at the dollar store, and I use it almost exclusively, and I have purpose built hammers in my tool box!

Unfortunately that's as far as I got. All my hammering woke the baby and angered mommy, so I had to stop.
I'll be back at it in the morning, I'm going to start by heat shrinking the edge to form a nicer curve.
Thanks for looking.
If there's another way to form this fender, I'm open to ideas
Tim

[Timmy]

This truck seems to just fall together lately.
I was able to finish one fender about 85% today. I used two methods of shrinking and I'll explain them with the respected pictures
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/433ede35.jpg
On the outside edge I heat shrank the edge using my torch. I didn't do it all the way around the way as I didn't want to have the heat ruin the rest of the fender
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/1db7c08b.jpg
But after some hammering, it left a fairly wave free roll. It's not perfect, and I can still work it a little, but the brass being thin to begin with, and my introduction of heat, I decided to leave this side alone at this point
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/e787ce5d.jpg
So I got ready for the other side
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/605ef800.jpg
Now because this side meets the spacer on the inside, I cold shrunk the edge by twisting the edge with very fine needle nose pliers, then gently hammer the fold together. It's not the quickest way, and leaves a dirty edge unless you spend hours dollying it till its perfect, but it will work on the inside where I'm soldering anyway
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/7d8d6add.jpg
So like I said, I went about 85% finished, but the end result looks decent
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/3ab02483.jpg
I need to build the spacer yet so the fenders will sit square
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/0547e239.jpg
But even without them it makes the truck look more complete
Now the fender is supposed to have a low crown (curve) in it, and I have not yet put one on, but I think it looks cool just flat like this.
What do you guys think?
Tim

[doodlebug]

Hey Tim, have you considered a scale sized "English Wheel" for smoothing the formed part's? As for reference material, Ultimate Sheet Metal Fabrication by Timothy Remus,
Advanced Sheet Metal fabrication by Timothy Remus.
Link to picture's of various english wheel model's and wheel's, http://www.google.com/search?q=english+wheel&hl=en&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS445US445&site=webhp&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=dwz0Tvf8NKfOiAKymO2JDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CGsQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=603
Look's great so far. Do you have to anneal the brass when working it?
Cheer's, Neil.

[karak34]

Very nice

[Timmy]

Those are both amazing references doodlebug. I own the advanced book and taken two work shops with Ron Covell, but really hadn't considered a scale sized wheel. I had considered using the bench mount one I have at work, but ultimately decided it was just to large to do such a fine job. Do you know of anyone making a ready made scale wheel, I'd be very interested to see one
Tim

[doodlebug]

Hey Timmy, I don't know of a scale wheel for sale. But it is something else for machine shop friend's to consider building for sale. Glad you have the book's!
Cheer's Neil.

[Izzy]

Youve come along way in a short time! very impressive...... I think I better stick with Styrene though...... I'd have a big glob of lead by this point........

[ihbuilder]

Hey Timmy, I don't know of a scale wheel for sale. But it is something else for machine shop friend's to consider building for sale. Glad you have the book's!
Cheer's Neil.

Neil , I'm getting there :o I just got to get them on the lathe and mill :eek:

[doodlebug]

Steve, You the man! Can't to see what you come up with.
Cheer's, Neil.

[Timmy]

A scale English wheel would be fantastic Steve! Have you got a picture of even the drawings for it? I'd love to see them if you do!

[Timmy]

I hope the holidays found everyone well.
I have been working on the truck, but I see no sense posting pictures of building the other fender lol. It's pretty much the same side to side.
I'll be building my spacers next and I'll post how that goes.
I did find some pictures though of the trucks I originally took my measurements from.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/31d7edf8.jpg
This truck was originally why this thread was called Pete 367 in brass. This was the truck I was modeling from as it was in our shop for this paint job
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/a65a4b89.jpg
And this truck is closer to what I'm modeling right now.
Tim

[civic83]

I would be interested in a scale english wheel too, I never considered one before, I have a lathe, wonder if I could make one... Hmm, prolly better to just get IHbuilder to make me one lol. Anyways, back to the thread, the trucks looking great! I wish I had metal skills!

[Timmy]

Thank you civic83, working metal really isn't that hard!
Here's a small update
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/a3f0f3cc.jpg
I had to add the bend to bottom of the hood
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/3a020e47.jpg
And I think it adds another dimension to the hood
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/1df84358.jpg
I had to add a support the back of the hood panels, and hold them out to meet the cowl, so I bent up a solid rod support
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/a23ebb1a.jpg
It fit quite well
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/3c3092ad.jpg
And it holds the shape perfect
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/4d47a728.jpg
I then added some fill solder to my fender to make it smooth for the fender spacer
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/f516a962.jpg
This is the hood spacer and fender, almost ready for assembly
Happy new year everyone!!
Tim

[ihbuilder]

looking good Tim , I actually would prefer working metal as to styrene . My 1st (IH 9370 ) was to be in brass :( when I looked at the price difference , at the time , styrene won : I'm lookin fwd to hammering out the new hood for the wedico pet I got :) .

[Timmy]

Ahhhh, the styrene vs. metal question. Quite honestly I like both. They both have there pros and cons. I like styrene for it's ability to build it up with out disturbing the surrounding materials. It can be hard to do that with brass in particular, just because of the tendancy for things to float when heated. However, I hate waiting for glue to dry, solder cools rather quickly.
So here's the next installment
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/fb694d84.jpg
Here the spacers been added to the fender
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/a6937982.jpg
This is what it looks like on the inside
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/2fdc7dda.jpg
Both fenders ready to be installed on the center
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/18d7333c.jpg
And here's one of the fenders completely soldered to the center section
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/fe1d1b64.jpg
Both fenders installed
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/562cf8e2.jpg
It fits really nice
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/fd224fb9.jpg
And here's some more mock up pics to see the progress
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/ba185e7a.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/11db3199.jpg

So what do you guys think?
Tim

[Timmy]

Unfortunately I haven't had much chance to work the last couple days, but I do have a small update
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/f75d2063.jpg
I finished triming the door openings
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/9b290095.jpg
I then cut a piece of aluminized tin to replicate the aluminum door sill
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/e0b4c013.jpg
And bent it to match my opening

Next up will be the doors and hinges
I hope you guys are enjoying watching this build as much as I am enjoying the build of it
Tim

[Tamiya Cowboy]

Tim the body is really coming along nicely great job!!

[Brian in PA]

Coming along real nice Tim. I'll get back to you on the PM too, been kinda busy. Keep up the good work!

[ihbuilder]

tim your doing a great job . are you sure your not a tin nocker ? :rolleyes:

[Timmy]

Thanks guys, every comment is added motivation. Brian, thanks for answering the pm so quickly, I'm hopefully we can work something out!!
Ihbuilder, I don't think anyone's called me a tin knocker before! Has a nice ring to it!! In fact I am a automotive restorer, and lately I've been restoring a Pete for a friend of mine.
I'm hopeful I'll get some more done today, I'm hoping to get atleast a door done.
And please, if anyone sees something they think is not quite right, please bring it to my attention, sometimes a new perspective can be refreshing, and pointing out the blatantly obvious is sometimes needed.
Thanks for looking
Tim

[Brian in PA]

How about posting some pics of the Pete your restoring. From the one pic you have I see a door from a 359?

[ihbuilder]

"I am a automotive restorer"

well that expains it, much better :)

[Timmy]

Good eye Brian, the truck I'm doing is a 359! I'll have to sort through pictures to find some of it, but I'll post them when I can.
Ihbuilder, I think I prefer tin knocker now!! Lol
I have run into a snag in my build. Well I have many, but this one is really bugging me, can someone help????
I have my door built about 40%
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/2cc4436a.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/3ce2840d.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/1744c9b2.jpg
And this is how it fits, my problem is my hinge.
Now my plan was to use a piece of 1/8 rod and 5/64 tube to make my hinge
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/84946f06.jpg
Now I'm trying to figure out how to make it work. I want it to look like the piano hinge on a full size truck, but I currently can't figure out how to get my pin into the hinge as the upper door frame is right in the way, and to go up from the bottom I'd have to bend the door out of the way
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/0b93b0ab.jpg
Hopefully the picture helps my explanation, I hope someone can help me!
Thanks for looking
Tim

[Diesel Demond]

spectacular!! hope you figure out the hinge!!!!!!!!!!

[Espeefan]

Is the cab floor or the sill plate of the cab in the way, or something, that you can't push the pin in from the bottom? You might not have a choice but to solder the hinge onto the cab and door, after the pin is in place. Unless you build the hinge first, and then bolt it to the door.

[ihbuilder]

looks good Tim , here's a pic of my hing for my 5900i heavy haul . They're basically 2 brass butt hinges stacked to make the piano hing . you can find them in any hardware store . I think I used .625"x.5" :confused:

http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz230/ihbuilder/5900i5.jpg

[crawler07]

I feel your paint with the hinges, I have the biggest trouble when it comes to them on my build as well. I hate them so much that I built one for the drivers door about 6 month ago and still havent done the pssengers side out of hate LOL..You can look over my 5 ton build and see how I did mine if it helps..

And you doing a fine job here man!! Please keep posting its motivational to say the least!

[Timmy]

Thank you diesel diamond. Espeefan, pretty much everything is in the way, door sill, floor, door frame. I was hoping to keep the doors removable, I like the stacked hinges that ihbuilder used. I looked at my local hardware store but I couldnt find anything that small. So espeefan, I may have to just solder them!
There is a doll house store in town that I'm going to check.
Crawler07, I like your hinges. Do you have anymore detailed photos of how you did them? I want to try everything and see what works best.
I have an idea that I'm going to try, and I'll post pics even if it doesn't work.
This is why I joined this board, everyone is so helpful and friendly!
Thanks for looking
Tim

[Timmy]

Wow what a week!! I didn't get much chance to do anything until today. I played with hinges today, and I'm going to try a couple other ideas before I decide on my final arrangement, but I'd like to hear what you guys think.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/5312b034.jpg
These are the small hinges I finally found that ihbuilder suggested
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Timmy161/2a50fd41.jpg
And this is the same thing just from farther away

I like the look, but I've got to do some structure mods to use them. They push the door way back.
What do you guys think?

[crawler07]

yep I like them also. I would get you some pics of my hinges,but it doesnt look like you need to see mine as yours look so good!

[Timmy]

Thanks guys! I like it and I wish I could take the credit for building them, but they are store bought, I really wanted the pin to be removable though. I may try to remove the pins later and re-work it.
Crawler07, I'd still like to see some pics of your hinges if you have some, as nothing is set in stone.
Thanks for looking
Tim

[Timmy]

I haven't had very much chance this last week or so to do much, but I'll be posting pics again soon. I do have a question though.
Is there a place in the US or Canada that sells complete tamiya drive axles seperatly?
My usual haunts say no, I have to buy a complete kit to get them, so I went as far as talking to the head guy at tamiya Canada (I know him from working in a couple different hobby shops) and he even says no.
In my long winded way, I'm reaching out, can anyone help?
Tim

[Mrfish55]

All that metal why would you want plastic axles? Why not get some of the alloy ones available? Check out R/C channel, I've never used them but they look nice and they are alloy, would look better than plastic, especially if you decide to just polish the brass instead of painting it, truck is looking real good, I initially wanted to do brass and copper for my cab but I lack the tools to do it right. Good luck.

[hippy]

I haven't had very much chance this last week or so to do much, but I'll be posting pics again soon. I do have a question though.
Is there a place in the US or Canada that sells complete tamiya drive axles seperatly?
My usual haunts say no, I have to buy a complete kit to get them, so I went as far as talking to the head guy at tamiya Canada (I know him from working in a couple different hobby shops) and he even says no.
In my long winded way, I'm reaching out, can anyone help?
Tim

www.store.rc4wd.com for your axle.

looking great so far!